Yeah, when I get on a roll, I can't help myself. I just have to try to put things in words the best I can. ^_^
I see. Though I know most of the fans who say it are probably either hopeless for Rolo, or disparaging for Shirley. As for Nunnally, I know someone pointed out how him sending Rolo was representative to just how far he'd fallen and how he felt he had no one left to trust. I thought it was you, but I've read a lot. It is failure logic, which I think was the point.
It's really interesting to keep hearing about the vast changes the show received. Where does this info come from, as I'd love to know more? The only thing I've noticed is that it does seem a tad rushed at times. Just look at Shirley. Past the Mao arc, they spent the entire reminder of the season with her forgetting, finding the letter, and expressing her uncertainties about Lelouch. Come R2, they do nothing with her for most of it (fuelling the "filler character" comments demonstrated in that one thread[why, just because she wasn't a BK?]), and the moment that arc's climax is finally brought up it's ended in the very next episode! Granted, they can't dwell on it like they could before, and use it to start his whole "losing everything" spiral, but I was amazed how quickly they cut that loose thread (heck, I began to think they would've just ignored it, leaving her Geassed and happy, however unsatisfying that could be). So yeah, it does seem like they didn't plan things out as much, and maybe should have had her memory return a lot sooner.
Rolo killing her did work well, as it did develop his character and kept other characters from having to do it. I think many figured she'd die saving Lelouch from a blow by Orange. Though that doesn't work in having him switch sides. It seems it was simply a matter of convenience that just worked out. though Lelouch not getting his revenge, and her dropping from the chart again fuels the haters.
I never said the others weren't selfish, and you make a great point in it's use as a theme. Though Geassing someone to live and trying to create a better world for your sister whether she's already happy or not isn't quite on the same level as killing your loved one's "in all but name only" girlfriend just because she wants to get closer and mentions a little secret you don't like acknowledging, and then intending to also kill his beloved sister, which he's entrusted you with protecting, just because you need him all to yourself. Rolo is a good character, but damn.
It does such that they have downplayed Shirley after raising her so high in 13. Though the show's not over yet, and Lelouch did mention her. As long as that remains, it doesn't totally suck. It's sort of what they've been doing with Euphy. That occasional, "I'm so still driven by her death" moments.
I did see the instance with the Black Knights coming, particularly Ougi, I just didn't think it would be so extreme.
I wouldn't put it past this show to come up with a way to revive them. Heck, how about a nice crack twist in that the whole Marianne thing is a product of Charle's geass (though that wouldn't work with Orange, as he's Geass-canceled himself so many times [itself something of a Deus Ex machina]).
Re: Yes that might be for the best. XD
I see. Though I know most of the fans who say it are probably either hopeless for Rolo, or disparaging for Shirley. As for Nunnally, I know someone pointed out how him sending Rolo was representative to just how far he'd fallen and how he felt he had no one left to trust. I thought it was you, but I've read a lot. It is failure logic, which I think was the point.
It's really interesting to keep hearing about the vast changes the show received. Where does this info come from, as I'd love to know more? The only thing I've noticed is that it does seem a tad rushed at times. Just look at Shirley. Past the Mao arc, they spent the entire reminder of the season with her forgetting, finding the letter, and expressing her uncertainties about Lelouch. Come R2, they do nothing with her for most of it (fuelling the "filler character" comments demonstrated in that one thread[why, just because she wasn't a BK?]), and the moment that arc's climax is finally brought up it's ended in the very next episode! Granted, they can't dwell on it like they could before, and use it to start his whole "losing everything" spiral, but I was amazed how quickly they cut that loose thread (heck, I began to think they would've just ignored it, leaving her Geassed and happy, however unsatisfying that could be). So yeah, it does seem like they didn't plan things out as much, and maybe should have had her memory return a lot sooner.
Rolo killing her did work well, as it did develop his character and kept other characters from having to do it. I think many figured she'd die saving Lelouch from a blow by Orange. Though that doesn't work in having him switch sides. It seems it was simply a matter of convenience that just worked out. though Lelouch not getting his revenge, and her dropping from the chart again fuels the haters.
I never said the others weren't selfish, and you make a great point in it's use as a theme. Though Geassing someone to live and trying to create a better world for your sister whether she's already happy or not isn't quite on the same level as killing your loved one's "in all but name only" girlfriend just because she wants to get closer and mentions a little secret you don't like acknowledging, and then intending to also kill his beloved sister, which he's entrusted you with protecting, just because you need him all to yourself. Rolo is a good character, but damn.
It does such that they have downplayed Shirley after raising her so high in 13. Though the show's not over yet, and Lelouch did mention her. As long as that remains, it doesn't totally suck. It's sort of what they've been doing with Euphy. That occasional, "I'm so still driven by her death" moments.
I did see the instance with the Black Knights coming, particularly Ougi, I just didn't think it would be so extreme.
I wouldn't put it past this show to come up with a way to revive them. Heck, how about a nice crack twist in that the whole Marianne thing is a product of Charle's geass (though that wouldn't work with Orange, as he's Geass-canceled himself so many times [itself something of a Deus Ex machina]).