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DAMN YOU, LANCELOT. JUST DIE. I really, really don't want to be forced into throwing swear words at you. Be a smart boy and blow yourself up, thank you.

Phew, finally got that out. Now I can concentrate on giving erm...'meaningful' comments.

C.C.'s power might be kind of like the dementors' power, reminding one of their worst and most traumatic memories ~~and then give them the kiss of C.C., sucking out their soul.~~ Which, in Suzaku's case, might be the death of his parents, which probably happened at the time Japan lost to Britannia. I would expect it to be a gory and gruesome death. ~~Muahaha.~~

Actually, the title of 14 arose a new fear in me - what if the girl-next-door Sophie turns out to be a spy of the Britannian army and is very closely related to the research of Geass? If it turns out to be so, Geass is just one step away from my serious consideration of whether to continue it or not. I surely hope not.

I agree that Lancelot To The Rescue is getting old. Good thing that CC figures it's an eyesore---seems her power doesn't need direct eye contact. If it does, though, she'll know (or already knew) that Lancelot = Suzaku. In that case there remains the problem of whether she'll tell Lulu.

~~Does that mean Lulu/CC is eternally doomed?~~ It better be something really, really traumatic, since it has to account for his unbelievable behaviour and all.

Er. Wow. I didn't even think of that. Gosh. I hope not. If she's got Geass or Geasslike and is as obnoxious as she looks---Lulu better pwn her in one episode. And dang, it makes the Rebellion plot go SLOWER. We only have 25 episodes, Sunrise! 25!

Lulu/CC doomed???? O_O . . . .. x_X . . . . *goes crazy*

25 episodes . . . I hope there'll be more -_-

Well, at least Lelouch doesn't look likethe kissy type anyway? He seems to be more for cuddles---and there's a long, long, long way to go before anyone ever gets there. XD

So do we. D: I'll be very impressed if they can wrap this mess (speaking in the best possible fondness, of course) up in 25 episodes.

at least Lelouch doesn't look likethe kissy type anyway?<-- Though I wouldn't want Lulu to go mushy . . . . but still . . . I wish for Lulu/CC moments xD hehe

I'll be very impressed if they can wrap this mess (speaking in the best possible fondness, of course) up in 25 episodes.<-- So far other animes which end around 20+ episodes had been not satisfying to me x_X I sooooo hope CG won't be like that . . . .

or probably there'll be a second season? *suddenly in high hopes xD*

The one in episode 10 made me want to see more. Sure it's a bit corny, but the mutual sniping/softening up is quite lovely to see. :D

I actually like 20-ish episodes, had very good experiences with them. But I STILL can't see this plot wrapping up in time...if they do a Mai-Hime, someone's office shall go up in flames.

Taniguchi doesn't do second seasons?

The one in episode 10 made me want to see more. Sure it's a bit corny, but the mutual sniping/softening up is quite lovely to see. :D<--- Yesh!!! Me too! Me too! xD omg . . .

Haven't seen Mai-Hime ^^; ehehe

Many good animes I've adored are 20 something episodes . . . many have been dissatisfying to me because the endings don't look like endings or just similar to the beginning o_O . . .. sigh

C.C.'s power being compared to a dementor's so cool but at the same time also so . . .ahahahah xD

What Sophie are you talking about? x_X

I hope Code Geass wouldn't be disappointing us x_X It's been a very good anime so far.

This Sophie. (http://community.livejournal.com/code_geass/49972.html#cutid1)

I sure hope it won't be. But there is just so many ways that it can go wrong, like having Lancelot rush to the rescue AND suceed everytime, making Sophie a spy/whatever, or give us a rushed ending.

Ah, Thanks

I've seen that post before but I forgot that her name was Sophie xD Ehehehe

Oh please, I also hope that the things you've mentioned wouldn't happen X_X

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Er, since I'm not sure who you are referring to, let me explain my point of view.

I like Suzaku. And I don't mind Lelouch not getting his way every single time, that would be boring. Episode 7 was really nice (the shitty art not withstanding), and I certainly won't mind seeing Lelouch butt heads with the same generals to episode Twenty. Because after that the plot needs to wrap up. It's just that the Lancelot does the same thing over and over. And it's so overpowered it's like an authorial cheat---its only caveat as of the moment is that Suzaku has to be Britannia's lapdog, but he doesn't seem to mind. And. I *don't* like how they repeat Lelouch's 'terrain advantage' strategy in 10 even though it makes great practical sense regarding their situation, you can imagine why Lancelot To The Rescue can grate.

Disagree on the Antihero thing, though. It's a belief of mine that a really well-written character doesn't easily fall to Plot Role Categorizing. And this maybe because I've been spoiled to high heavens---but I don't think Lelouch's methods are even all that machiavellian yet. For really, really shitty, jaw-dropping WTF Did They Just Do That EVIL strategy in the name of good, I recommend the Ravages of Time manhua. The things they use there makes Lelouch actually look noble.

I have to say though, I don't think the Lancelot is overpowered...well, it is, but that's the point. It's an experimental model. Lloyd is actually sending it out a lot more than he's probably supposed to, because ~~Lloyd is a cheeky guy who loves his toys~~ he's collecting combat data on it's efficiency for his 'employer'; Prince Schneizel.

And as for Suzaku, maybe he just really does like piloting it! I mean...it is a pretty shiny mech, and the implication is that he and the mech 'click'; perhaps it has some kind of sympathetic technology, where the response of the technology is more sophiscated when the user has a defter touch; more like a musical instrument. ;)

Now *Karen's* mech; that came out of nowhere; that's your Munchkin mech right there; if I was the ST, I'd laugh that one out of the game.

Oh yes, it is. You're right on both counts. If they throw the overpowered right back in our faces and remind us that the Lancelot is just that---an experimental war machine---I'd be happier. The way it's used now is just like...well, it's more like the SuperMech of Good and Justice. And it's just---I don't know, it beats everyone else TOO cleanly. Even an old model should have a fighting chance with the new if the commander's good enough, that's the way the machines in our world worked. Not so with Lancelot. That's why I say it's almost like an authorial cheat---with it, Suzaku can win everything with nearly no effort. Good way to end battles. (And if it's in Schneizel's hand, I'd still say it's cheap all the same)

Let me assure you that I was quite unhappy with how powerful Guren Nishiki is, as well. But since it's not being used as a deus ex machina solution yet, I currently hold no dislike for it.

And it's just---I don't know, it beats everyone else TOO cleanly.

Well...I am not sure that's true; the first pilot Lancelot really fought was Lelouch; how the hell did he even know how to pilot a mech in the first place? (plot fudging! ;) When Suzaku jumped in to help Jeramiah, the technology that Suzaku used is mentioned by one of the other pilots, so...it was kinda something people knew about but that wasn't supposed to be in play, as it were; Lloyd and his surprising toys again. ;)

I don't really think it's something that can be perceived as overpowered when Lelouch has Geass. *shrug*

Also, the only person we have seen pilot it so far is a good pilot, and lloyd does keep on about his perfect componant, his pilot. We speculated on it before, but when Schneizel gets into it, he might be horrendously crap and it'll fall over! XD

The thing that makes Karen's munchkin mech unacceptable is where the hell did it come from. Sorry, the embattled Japan Liberation Front suddenly have advanced combat mechs? You can understand where Lancelot came from; it came out of the vastness of the resouces of the Brittanian Empire. The power of Brittania justifies the power of their mos advanced mech. But this one? Pft.

I've been thinking about the Plug and Play operations of Knightmare Frames since the first episode and I don't know the answer. Did Lancelot really 'fight' Lelouch, though? He (the latter) was basically trying to get away. He fought the rebels first, and while the rebels probably aren't that experienced in combat mechs, they've seen more actual fighting than Suzaku. I guess my point is, someone who's flying an F-22 without any prior flight experience outside simulators shouldn't be able to down a squadron of semi-experienced Harriers effortlessly?

Ah, but as demonstrated in Episode 7, Geass is useless in the battlefield. Plus it has caveats. War machines by nature cannot have too many, but like how even the best-made tanks have weaknesses---it needs some. Lancelot's been around for ten episodes and so far I'd like a little counterbalance. As the original commenter said, Lancelot and Suzaku are counterbalances for Lelouch, Geass and Order. And while Geass and Order have their counterbalances (limitations, lack of training/professionalism) Lancelot has none. I'm just trying to point out how the thing can irritate people.

Not disagreeing with that. While I'm pretty certain Kyoto isn't synonymous with JLF, it's still pretty "....eh?" that Japan still has this kind of operations. I wish they'd give the Order serviceable decent models that requires more brains on the user's side instead, but oh well. :p

Did Lancelot really 'fight' Lelouch, though?

Not really...lol! Confronted with an actual combat opponant, he ran away like a little girl, lest he got another roundhouse kick to his (mech)face. >:DDDD Lelouch seems happy to pull the trigger in the face of a defenseless opponant, but in combat, he seems to like to lead from behind. Like the Duke of Plaza-toro...;)

I still say the point is that there is no counterbalance. It's brand shiny new technology, in terms of the story. It annoys the Sutherland pilots too. As for mech combat experience, it does seem that the Lancelot replicates what Suzaku can personally do; he performed that kick on Lelouch in person and then he did it again in the mech. It's more than just his experience as a mere pilot; I think that's Lloyd's point -it's Suzaku himself, his own abilities, that are making Lancelot super special right now; it's the meeting of man and machine.

I have noticed, since it was pointed out to me here, that there actually *is* a lot of Suzaku bashing...I think a lot of people just don't like to see Lelouch getting pawned. And in mechs and in person, when it comes to physical prowess (yaoi jokes aside), Suzaku wins. Whether he is as sly...? Well, he's a 'point and click' soldier so far, and hasn't been presented (story wise) with an opportunity to display tactical ability (or not). ;)

Tsk, he'd call it a tactical retreat. XD Duke of Plaza-toro, though...?

Hmmm. I like that idea of Knightmare operations, actually. It fills up several plot holes, though somewhat too Evangelion for my tastes. (I'm old fashioned and like my mechs button-and-pulley operated, but I'm in a minority) We're looking it differently, I guess. To quote a person in my flist, you're using Watsonian and I'm using Doylesian. INSIDE the story, the Lancelot makes the greatest sense. OUTSIDE the story, in terms of how the authors use it as a plot device, and it's not that satisfying.

I can't speak for Suzaku-bash, though, since I like him basically second (albeit rather distant second) to Lelouch at the moment. Won't deny that I do go "What, are you serious?" quite often with him, but he's a likable person. I'm actually wishing he hurries it up and become Suzaku of the Counterattack, so we get to see his style of leadership.

(Also, I just noticed that the original comment is gone. It said basically the same thing in your last paragraph, though)

I wonder why it got deleted? I don't think I said anything super contraversial...XD

XD Yes. Tactical retreat! XDDD The Duke of Plaza Toro (lyrics) (http://www.theofficenet.com/~jack/arts/duke.html) is a patter song from a Gilbert and Sullivan operetta...;)

Most things are a plot device in the end; I just don't tend to look at things in those terms unless it's blatantly illogical. For me, Lancelot's power level, considering it's backstory etc, is all quite logical. ;) My favourite mechs ever were the ones in Sousei No Aquarion. Now those were some crazy mechs!

I hadn't noticed the bashing, as I said...but when I was reading the various anime blogs about Geass this week, I really did. It surprised me a lot! I think all this talk of 'giving Suzaku angst' is a bit silly - he already has it. Every character has their light and shade, a 'darker' or a 'harder' side to them (except Shirley, who genuinely is made of cardboard). Suzaku just deals with it (so far) more patiently than Lelouch.

I have no idea. Maybe it's self-deleted? I rely on email notifications all too much...XD;

Funny, I was just talking about this. XD Orange-kun should try singing the song the next time he meets Zero and see if it works as a revenge.

Well, there are satisfying plot devices and there are unsatisfying plot devices. I tend to look at it in both terms unless it's about the characters and their motivations/how the setting works. Then I go Watsonian. But I guess our preferences also explain it : I dislike ubermechs, and as there's a tendency to use it as a Universal Solution to War Problems, I dislike the use even more. XD

I noticed some, but didn't think it was that serious...and eh, they're actually saying that!? I thought Suzaku had always had major issues. Probably more serious than Lelouch does, if you compare the level of WTF in their actions. He's so easily affected it's obvious.

But then again, I've always thought Suzaku is so similar on different spins to Lelouch it hurts. Aside from his facing a rigged court thing. Either he's insane naive or insane fatalistic.

XD If there is one thing Orange kun can't be accused of, it's leading from behind! He's always put himself up front of his squad. He's pretty fearless. ^-^

(I always though G&S's Modern Major General patter would have been good for Clovis; it's the 'When I know more of tactics than a novice in a nunnery' line...or he's Iago's Michael Cassio, who 'never set a squadron in the field nor the division of a battle knows more a than a spinster'...XD)

Suzaku seems to restrict his gestures to small things mostly, like clenching his fists and narrowing his eyes. Little displays of what's going on inside. Whilst Lelouch privately kills like a maniac and publically...dresses as a cat...wtf? Lelouch is quite mad. XDD When Suzaku went back to the court, that was brilliant! XD Lelouch got pwned again! XDD

I keep hoping that the 'red spinny thing that I assume is a power cell' will overload if he goes too far into Deus Ex Machina mode. Not huge explosion overload (because I quite like Suzaku and his duality that I'm sure will counter Lelouch's duality) but system shutdown overload.

I don't think that we've really seen what Suzaku will be about, yet.

I despise that Guren Nishiki. I like the fact that Kallen developed a smidgen of character in the last few episodes (thank you, Millay, for your contribution there) but I hate that she's been given such a stupid, pulled out of ~~Kyoto~~ their arse machine (and, whilst I'm at it, why does Kyoto have 1000's of mecha lying around to give to random resistance justice groups?). It may not have been used stupidly yet but I don't think it will be long.

Suzaku of the Counterattack, of course, Suzaku of the Counterattack! The end of OP1.5 even has Lancelot standing in front of a Sutherland unit. He should hurry it up already, not too many episodes left.

How Guren Nishiki is used will pretty much determine my opinion of Lelouch as a tactician, whether he's a one-tricked pony or not. If it's used in spectacular tactics, great. (Considering it's the only decent mech he has) If it isn't...blah. Don't ask me how Kyoto made it, though.

phew, I'm now relieved that Suzaku doesn't get some geass power from this eppie xD

But eppie 14 still gives me worries though >_> but I'm having doubts that that other person who also has a geass would be Suzaku. Can't . . . imagine xD And due to the events on eppie 11 . . . even more unlikely ^^;

still. . . oh yay for C.C. being loyal to Lulu xD Hehe I love it when she protects Lulu xD Can't wait to see eppie 11 xD

When will the next episode be up anywayz? I'm dying of excitement xD Hehe

I think the RAW should be floating 'round by Friday/Thursday night depending on time zone?

I wonder what Lelouch thinks of her protecting him and meddling in affairs. Mixture of thanks and irritation? XD Probably less 'loyal' than necessity, though...even if I do see them having this sort of passive-aggressive fondness for each other. (Lulu/CC is my sortaship for the series. I have no real ship, but among the choices it's my favourite :D )

*counts the days* . .. . OMG to the wait X_X

I think Lulu is more of being irritated of having C.C. act like his guardian xD Well, it's pretty common for a guy to think that it has degraded his pride for being protected by someone. . . more so if it's by a girl xD Hehe

I do see them having this sort of passive-aggressive fondness for each other.<-- hehe, I see it too xD Wheeeeeeee

Does Lelouch even think of CC as a girl? In fact, I'm a little uncertain if he even thinks of girls the way most 17 year olds think of girls. XD But since Lelouch seems to like people who frustrate him (Hail Suzaku and his adorable, incurable 'idiocy') she's got decent chances.

And oh, is it just me, or do they have a lot of behind-the-scenes the show's not showing?

Does Lelouch even think of CC as a girl?<-- probably yes . . .probably not x_X Lulu has a very unique/different mind after all xD

I'm a little uncertain if he even thinks of girls the way most 17 year olds think of girls.<-- Hmmm . . .I think not xD 'coz if yes, he'll have the tendency to blush like Suzaku xD hehe

But since Lelouch seems to like people who frustrate him (Hail Suzaku and his adorable, incurable 'idiocy') she's got decent chances. <-- HAIL SUZAKU!!!! xD Kyaaa! I've never thought of that xD Now I'm more hyper to Lulu/CC . . .wheeeeeeeeee xD

And oh, is it just me, or do they have a lot of behind-the-scenes the show's not showing? <-- No . . .you're not alone O_O I believe there are! Like how they actually sleep in Lulu's room. The beginning of eppie 7 is convincing me that they actually beside each other in bed O_O

I just figured the stress of his dead life probably dulled his interest in unimportant issues like the opposite sex, and with the sort of things that go round in his head, he probably won't understand why the naked female body is such a big deal. XD Poor Lulu. Trauma did a lot on his brain. *snicker* ~~This series might be called "Boys With Trauma : Never Give Them Mechs"~~

Heh. He doesn't like frustrating people on the wrong side, but if they're on his side he seems well enough with them. Rivalz is sort of like that, too, though nowhere near the scale of the Great White Helmet.

I saw that, too. And how he took her swimming. :D (Though I'd surmise that may be the only way they'd compromise on her bathing habits or lack thereof)

I just figured the stress of his dead life probably dulled his interest in unimportant issues like the opposite sex,<-- possible . . .possible

This series might be called "Boys With Trauma : Never Give Them Mechs"<-- BWAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!! This cracks me up a lot xD OMG . . HAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Rivalz is sort of like that, too, though nowhere near the scale of the Great White Helmet.<-- haha, totally agree ^_^

And how he took her swimming. :D (Though I'd surmise that may be the only way they'd compromise on her bathing habits or lack thereof)<-- Haha! Eppie 10 is filled with mysteries xD

oh great. no geass stuff :D

i wanna see prime minister-san *___*

Lol, well if Orange kun doesn't survive, all this won't be relevant to me anyway as I'll be dropping the show. ;)

I can't see why they'd bother ejecting his seat if he doesn't survive, but we'll see? :D

Well, that's what I am hoping (plus he's on an awful lot of the official art, and no one else on those central images has bought it so far), but if my favourite character goes, I won't bother with the show when there are so many others I watch that I will still enjoy. ;)

I'm not worried about Lloyd, funnily....it doesn't seem necessary to worry about Lloyd. He's just like 'Wheeeeeee :DDD'...Lloyd doesn't need help, if you know what I mean. ;)

I should be so lucky that my favourite character is in no risk of death until possibly the last episode, though I do miss the afsfjaskd of waiting to see a favourite in the supports survive. But I really don't feel Orange-kun is under any risk, so soon---oh Orange, we hardly knew ye!

Haha, if Lloyd's going then it's probably very near the end. I can see him outliving everybody else, though. XD

Yeah; it'll probably all end up with Cecile and Lloyd drinking tea in the wreckage of absoluttely everything...;)

I hope not, but we'll see. I want my Ornage kun. If I can't him, I shall take my viewing eyes elsewhere. ;)))

He can't die! Jeremiah/Villeta is the only het ship I'm supporting thus far! (None of the others-especially the schoolgirl crushes-have interested me)

That is Orange-kun's name? Isn't it? (need to stop refering to him as orange)

Yes, we are bad to use it, as it upsets him. ^-^ Jeramiah is indeed his name. :)

Really, if he knows what his fans call him, Jeremiah would hang himself. XD

I know! We are very very bad, but we love Orange kun. ;)

Aren't they adorable? She's his knight in shining armour! XD

How about Cornelia and Gilford though, eh? XD He's such a devoted ~~puppy~~ bodyguard. ;)

Actually, they are starting to pique my interest! I love the subtle interaction they have had thus far (but the Jeremiah/Villeta picture in the ending wins the 'Code Geass 2006 Award for Het Hotness' in my mind).

(All these powerful women and the men they take care of...you wouldn't believe that my het kink is normally possesive/protective men!)

Britannian women look after their men! XD Even Euphemia! She's the 'cute' one and she threw herself at Suzaku. Literally. ;)

That picture is indeed very very hot. *nod*

Lulu finally cornered Cornelia... but suzaku to the rescue~!!!! When is this going to end if it's only 25 ep long?????

And THANK GOD Suzaku didn't get geass power, but then again he doesn't have the heart to use it.

So Suzaku won't be getting the Geass I see...

I would have neber expected C.C. to be so loyal to Lulu though...

Hurrah for Sunrise for revealing their plot points before the show even airs! XD