Discussion

[vehemence.livejournal.com]

In light of episodes 22 and 23 [SPOILERS FOR THESE EPISODES], I wanted to see what other people think about



Some little thoughts:
Lelouch
From the beginning people have been calling Geass the crack addicted lovechild of Death Note and Gundam Seed. Or something like that. So the question is, will Lulu follow the path of Raito and end up a drooling, pathetic mess thrashing around on the ground while all his "friends" watch in horror/disgust? The way I see it, the boy is doomed. With the Death Note, there was always a strong element of choice. Every time Raito picked up the pen, he was making the choice all over again. But Lulu only made the choice once-- when he received the Geass. He can't undo that or make it go away. The only hope of redemption I see for him lies in Nunally, who is arguably the crucial factor which his sanity hangs upon. As long as she's alive and there to go "Nii-san... will you be home for dinner? *Weep* I miss you!" Lulu will stay strong. But Sunrise is practically shoving Lulu's descent into evil down our throats, all the mad cackling and twisted grins. And the fact that he has successfully alienated himself (through lies/manipulation/killing/etc) from almost every single one of his friends/allies, even if those friends/allies haven't realized it yet. Seems as though C.C. is the only who is truely on his side, knowing everything that he is and his true identity and shaitz, but even C.C. I am starting to doubt. Midway through ep. 23, when he is alone in that room with her, he shows a rare moment of weakness, and she comforts him. She says, "The one who will always be with you will always be me." I got shivers. Did she not promise almost the exact same thing to Mao?? I don't have past eps. on my computer but I seem to remember her saying something like that to a weepy child!Mao. And then after that in the hall she said Lelouch's mother's name to herself, "Marianne", WTF??? Now it's not that I don't trust her... okay, I just don't trust her. I don't think she'll be Lulu's ally to the end in this mess. I think we are in for some mind shattering revelations. Mind shattering for Lulu, that is.

So there's my rambing 2 cents on Lulu... and now,

Suzaku
Suzaku keeps surprising me. In the beginning I expected him to be a really straightforward Kira-type, who will angst and moan and then go kick some ass in his Gundam Knightmare. But the dark past... PATRICIDE!!... getting hit with some weird Geass effect by C.C. (which I still don't understand)... and now losing his er, one true love at the hands of the person who he will inevitably discover is actually his secret gay lover best friend!?! Someone needs to go stuff this boy into a CLAMP manga where he can murder Subaru and take his place as the new Sakurazukamori. *Cough* So anyways, I think Suzaku is better off in this than Lelouch. He has better coping skills, and no Geass to addle his brains.

Thoughts?

Comments

[brennadouglasmw.livejournal.com]

a drooling, pathetic mess thrashing around on the ground

Light was just SWIMMING (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=704997&postcount=10), yo.

In other, more serious matters, I did have that same question regarding CC's comforting Lelouch with the oh-I'll-be-with-you-forever-baby front. Lelouch isn't stupid. He should know that she must have said the same thing to Mao. (Also, FYI, in the flashback in episode 15 where ickle!Mao is drawing CC, her voice overlaps with "[...] if you only calm down when just the two of us are together, I will be with you forever.") ^_^

Because my Humanities class is so awesome.

[halevy.livejournal.com]

I personally think Suzaku has a nasty habit of repressing feelings. Repression is not the correct thing to do and sometimes symptoms neurosis can appear. This can also lead to mental break downs which can lead to becoming physically impaired for a while. It depends though but there have been cases. Like the case of the woman who saw her ex-fiance with another woman and she collapsed in the street, suddenly unable to walk.

So that was random but I feel Suzaku is going to have some bad physical reaction (maybe a reflex) in the second season. Like, spazzing out and mindlessly slaughtering someone without realizing what he's doing. (Oh damn, I'm thinking of SEED. Bad girl!)

As for the Death Note comparisons to Code Geass, I find them kind of... annoying. :/ Sure, the main characters are intelligent young males who use their wits to fight but the situations are different in each show and so is the plot. Plus, Lelouch still remains humane. Come on, would he use Nunnally as bait to kill Suzaku/Cornelia/random person for his own personal gain?

To me, Death Note and Code Geass are in seperate categories. One is a suspense and one is a mecha.

I'm beginning to wonder if Lelouch will just disappear at the end of the series. Like, go into hiding for the rest of his life. He doesn't seem like the type of person who would kill himself and probably in the "final, epic battle" of the series, he will be injured greatly but he has to live for the contract with C.C., right? Unless the contract is completed before.

Ahh, I don't know anymore. .___. I'm expecting major wtfuckery and plot bunnies in the second season.

[areku1993.livejournal.com]

I have nothing to add except how Suzaku's insanity-description made me seriously lol.

[sapphynashi.livejournal.com]

I don't know what the hell to expect, to be honest. x_x But I think that Suzaku is more likely to have a mental breakdown, or he'll have it first. I think Lelouch is bound to do something crazy too, but he's more aware of it.

God, I hope he doesn't end up like Light. That was just painful. I hold on to the hope that Code Geass isn't quite as concentrated on the psychological aspect and more action-oriented, so maybe Lelouch won't become a complete mess like that. He does have Nunnally and C.C. to keep him somewhat grounded. I agree that C.C. comforting him was a "WHOA, WAITAMINUTETHERE" moment, but it seems to me that she's sincerely warming to him. I do expect some sort of zomgbetrayal?! situation later, but it may or may not end badly.

V.V. though, he creeps me the fuck out, and I can't help but feel that he's just going to make Suzaku lose it faster. ._.

Some shit's going to go down with Nunnally, too. If she betrays Lelouch, or if anything happens to her, his sanity is out the window. >.> I don't want that to happen though. But I can't predict her because she doesn't freaking react to anything so who knows what she'll think when she finds out. Or she might know something already. I haven't a clue.

*is still all twitchy and 'nooooo' over the BFF being torn apart akjhfdkjhjds whhhhyyyyy*

[rosegirl18.livejournal.com]

Personally, I think Code Geass is waaaay surpassing its "parents."

[gacktyougirl.livejournal.com]

where he can murder Subaru and take his place as the new Sakurazukamori.

*SNORT*

[infected-wound.livejournal.com]

>_> SuzakuxKamui ♥

*coughs*

I fear for Suzaku's life span. Considering like, 75% of the fandom hates his guts, maybe even 90%, I fear he will die by the end of season 1. =( I did not like the ending of 23...

And um. I giggle at the Death Note/Code Geass comparisons... because um, all this time, I have been sorta comparing Code Geass with an RPG game...

[zalem.livejournal.com]

I think Lelouch will be dead by the end of season two. The only question is how. I agree with the above poster...Light's death was painful for me. Especially since I'm a huge Light fan. I can see why they did it that way, of course, but I didn't like it. It seems the editor was just too intent on having Light punished in the worst possible way (or so rumors say).

Frankly, I don't think Lulu deserves that kind of end. Light was a ruthless cold-blooded killer. Lelouch is ruthless and selfish, but he still has a heart. Part of him is still good inside. That will remain the case so long as Nunnally is alive. Yes, he has a lot of sins riding on his head right now and he will probably commit more, but I don't think he deserves to end up a weeping, crawling, broken mess at the end. I'd prefer he go out with a bang. Die fighting to the end. Or die redeemed somehow. I don't see him winning and alive at the end of all this. I'd be shocked if that happens.

Oh the "Marianne" thing. C.C. wasn't just saying her name. She was TALKING to her. You know how she has been having those private conversations with an unknown someone throughout the series? Well Marianne is one of the people she's been talking to it turns out (the other being V.V.). That's what makes it so crazy. So either Marianne is alive or C.C. can speak to the dead. But I suppose if the Emperor can speak to dead Clovis, then C.C. can speak to dead people too. Really wonder what Marianne thinks of all this. O_O

Suzaku....sure he surprised me with the dark past and now he's hell bent on revenge. But still he is more like the typical mecha hero, so if anyone is still alive at the end it will be him. But then again they could surprise me and kill him off...

I have faith...

[(Anonymous)]

......in C.C.

To be entirely honest, despite the fact that she said something similar to Mao, I'm hopeful that she really did mean that towards Lelouch.

She's less heartless than how they try to make her seem; it was obvious that she /did/ care for Mao. Even after all he did to her at the end of Episode 15-- shoot her in three places, threatened to reveal Lelouch and cut her up-- she didn't want Lelouch to shoot him. She wanted to talk it out. And she's been slowly showing compassion towards our protagonist as well. Especially in this episode, it looks like she's sorry for being the one who caused Lelouch so much pain due to the Geass; the way the camera zooms up on her face when Lelouch states that he made a contract with the devil makes me wonder if she does think it's her fault. And the moment in the hallway actually made me trust her more--for one, it shows that her statement was said out of warmth rather than lies ("Actually, I'm rather happy...Yeah. I've long forgotten about warmth, Marianne) and, if she's talking to Lelouch's mother, then I don't fear her loyalty to Lelouch.

Who knows? Maybe she didn't want to leave Mao, but had to. The closest I think that C.C. will get to leaving Lelouch next season is a short leave, but a quick comeback afterwards when both of them realize they still need each other, like Episode 15. I don't think that Lelouch will fail his end of the bargain. After all, the audience still needs to see it come true ^___^

[euphyi.livejournal.com]

I'm not so sure that Lulu is so much descending into evil as standing by the choices he made in the beginning of the series. (agreeing to bear the "loneliness of the king"..) He's far from stupid, and his goal in the first place was never precisely noble- sure, creating a safe world for his sister is one thing, but I always got the impression that he realised this was a selfish thing- in his mind at least he was never in a position of high and mighty righteousness. He was always an avenger. Possibly things have escalated beyond his calculations- I'm sure he never meant to cause Euphie's death, but it sure looks like he's been planning to attack Tokyo for a while now- but things happen, and he's dealing with them despite his personal feelings. ah Lulu you're so manly

What happens after he's accomplished what he's set out to do is another matter.. I can't see him enjoying the spoils of empire because he's not the leader type who inspires personal devotion and loyalty. But for that reason I think CC may stick with him. They're quite alike, layering ruthlessness and cold calculation over human vulnerability.. she might abandon him, but only if he gives up on her first. (or maybe that's just the fangirl in me speaking)

Suzaku suprised me muchly too. I think I'd hate him a lot more if I didn't get the feeling that he wasn't really in control of himself.. in a time when Lulu's losing his grip on his purpose, Suzaku's gained one, but he's transformed himself into a new person to hold it. I can't really see a happy ending for him..

[tatooine.livejournal.com]

My only wish right now is for Cornelia to punch Lelouch in the stomach. Hard.

Please, Sunrise, make this happen.

[chansonxchou.livejournal.com]

Lelouch..He really needs savin'. And hugs. And a punch to the head that 'ALOT OF THE SIBLINGS LOVED LULU AND NUNNALLY'. Yeah.

As for Suzaku. I secretly hope that he will become one of Schneizel's Knights. I would laugh so hard if he wore that...sunvisor-ish thingy. XDD;; *SchneizelxSuzaku fan shhh* But ignoring that, I think Suzaku might last longer then Lelouch. Seeing that, he isn't really bound by his hypocrisim and ideals anymore, and he seems to have finally set aside his daddy killing-ness, he's much more free. Of course, he's a little...uh..dangerous now though. HE'S LIKE ORANGE THE SECOND. Yeah..>>

C.C...Now her..I'm really hoping she isn't trying to make Lulu the next Mao. Really really hoping.

[telepathic.livejournal.com]

I think Marianne is responsible for the geass power, and using her son as a guinea pig. I mean, how can she not tell Lelouch that she is still alive and watch him suffer while she stays hidden.

Did she not promise almost the exact same thing to Mao?
She did. I hope this doesn't mean Lelouch is going to be the second Mao.

[halevy.livejournal.com]

I'm beginning to wonder if C.C. has some sort of involvement with Marianne's death.

[norikosama.livejournal.com]

Lulu needs to get a girlfriend.Seriously.
And yeah...didn't C.C. say the same thing to Mao?!I don't understand how Lulu's "brilliant" mind couldn't see that she said the same thing to Mao.And lookee what happened to him!
Suzaku and V.V.'s meeting...I think-from other posts-that V.V. is going to give Suzaku a Geass that is going to bring the dead back to life.Which means Euphie is coming back and Suzaku gains another Jesus Christ superpower.
I personally think he doesn't need it.He has the Lancelot,he has that wing pack,he stays on the Avalon,he's a public hero...the last thing he needs is some power that brings the dead back to life.
Although seeing as how it is pretty powerful,I'm guessing that he'll have extremely limited uses or the Geass turns them all to zombies or somehow causes defects.
This is why young boys with long hair and pretty eyes from another planet are NOT to be trusted.