Bah.

[ratsandwich.livejournal.com]

I don't think that's Lelouch, guys. After all, I don't think he has the genes to grow a mustache.

It's pretty hard to tell, but I was watching it again and noticed that it looks like the driver's got a white one, even though it's pretty faint. This is the .mkv version of gg's subs, so it might just look that way, but until someone can see on a blu-ray or DVD, chances look pretty slim that's Lulu.
Shame, I was doodling him in what I can remember of the cart outfit today...

Comments

[nanakibh.livejournal.com]

I'm not entirely sure yet why people think he's the carriage driver.

There's really nothing to support it. I believe he's still alive (or at least like to hold onto that ambiguity that he might be) but I think every other theory is more likely. Even if he IS alive, I don't think they necessarily had to show him again, so...

Carriage guy. Why.

It's fun, sure. But why. :|

[charmingsponge.livejournal.com]

If there was nothing significant to the carraige driver, why would they zoom along the side of his hat and shoulder? For fun? If it was really that insignificant, something tells me that that cut wouldn't even exist.

It's not a baseless theory. There's the whole "it is said that the power of kings brings one to solidtude, not very accurite, is it?" thing CC says, she could either be speaking of herself or of Lelouch. And yeah, you could say that she was just speaking nostalgically to herself, but that wouldn't make sense since she's talking about not being in solitude(which can arguably be interpreted in different ways). Then there's also the quote a few episodes earlier when Lelouch tells CC that he would become a warlock for her.

[corsette.livejournal.com]

If there was nothing significant to the carraige driver, why would they zoom along the side of his hat and shoulder?

For the same reason Revolutionary Girl Utena would show the main character in a collapsing castle, then have Anthy tell Akio that Utena just "doesn't exist in your world anymore": for the ambiguity (Taniguchi seems to love it) and to possibly set up for an OVA if they wanted it (more money! Yeah!). A lot of people insist that by saving Anthy and staying at the castle, Utena became the Rose Bride (or something like that). It's the same thing with Lelouch -- he got the code and is now immortal. Replace Anthy searching for Utena with C.C. traveling with Lelouch and imo, it's pretty darn similar. Or maybe I'm pulling that out my ass... Heh.

Another thing worth noting is that C.C. was possibly talking to him through the World of C. He doesn't necessarily need to be right by her for her to talk to him, right? Or maybe I'm missing something.

And I assumed the warlock thing was just because R2 was supposed to be more "romantically inclined". He said the same thing in an episode on season one, did he not? Either way, I'm sure it was for romantic tension or whatever.

Not saying it debunks the theory, I'm just saying either way is very, very possible. After all, it's SUNRISE.

[charmingsponge.livejournal.com]

I don't think she would be able to communicate with him through the World of C, what I thought was that since they had totally separate forms of geass they could not.

But everyone could go on with something over something to try to push over theories; we do not have enough information from the series to draw to an obvious conclusion. I'm merely going with I thought while watching it ^__^;

[faye-naruse.livejournal.com]

This (http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2008/09/code-geass-r2-25-so-is-lelouch-dead-or-not/) pretty much convinced me :D

[juliagraywords.livejournal.com]

Can't really see the mustache in the pic, but you are right. It's not in his genes. Not even Charles or Odysseus could grow a mustache. >.>

I didn't believe it was Lulu when I first saw the animation. The little gif that is running around is disproven just by the fact the outfits are not the same if you compare it and the screencap there. And the guy ain't wearing a white mask. The camera never runs past his face, anyway. Etc etc etc.

[kaine-maxwell.livejournal.com]

Maybe he just bought one. or stole one.

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

I thought it looked more like a piece of grass in his mouth. :/

[crazyevilwombat.livejournal.com]

That's what it looks like to me too =o

[monoyuki.livejournal.com]

It looks like a cig to me. :/

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

I guess it could be a cig or a piece of grass. It just looks to be more of something IN his mouth than a mustache.

[angathol.livejournal.com]

DON'T BE SILLY, CLEARLY HE'S WEARING A DISGUISE.

[kairi-jaganshi.livejournal.com]

HAHA, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TOO. xDDDD Even if it is a moustache, people will just claim that Lulu's wearing a disguise.

[charmingsponge.livejournal.com]

Charles shaves. Lelouch could grow a bushy white one in a few year's time.

[sevoth.livejournal.com]

Bull. A chick has more testosterone than him.

[charmingsponge.livejournal.com]

I know XD

[chirigami.livejournal.com]

I noticed that too, well at least something there. The fake gif had an interesting idea of it being a face mask thing. Could be a clever disguise with the aid of some white hair and glue - ala, wang fire. Or maybe he's munching on a bagel ~

[corsette.livejournal.com]

...Sure that's not just QUALITY? I don't blame animators for not giving someone who's on-screen for what, three seconds total and ABSOLUTELY PERFECT detail. Aside from that, it just looks like lighting.

I'm a fan of the Lelouch is dead plot...thing, but that's not enough to completely debunk the Utena-style twist thing deal.

My wording is horrid, I'm sorry. XD;

[etheralia.livejournal.com]

...
Either way I'm still sobbing uncontrollably.
SCREW YOU SUNRISE.

[kittendreamz.livejournal.com]

Same here. ;_; Gah....Lelou...
I still can't really think up dead/alive plots right now...because the story is still too fresh in my mind.

[voguebishoujo.livejournal.com]

It looked like the quality to me lmao XD;;;;

[wing-goddessxxx.livejournal.com]

i don't see the stache!

[gakupoid.livejournal.com]

I thought it was just a super quality mouth.

[saverellawish.livejournal.com]

I see no mustache :/

Its just a trick of the pixels.

I haven't watched the episode yet or for the last 2 weeks for that matter..., so just shoot me for not actually seeing this scene yet >_>;;

[seikita.livejournal.com]

It's not a moustache, is a straw he's biting. That and the clothes and light.

When you zoomed it too much, pixels will confuse you... So, don't be sad! ^^ That might still be him.

-Sei.

[rolololo.livejournal.com]

My brain cannot comprehend the image of Lelouch with a 'stache.

[setsunator.livejournal.com]

Clearly weed.

[chickee1.livejournal.com]

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee your icon!

[ceruleanghost.livejournal.com]

I think it's a little toothpick, or something hick-like, like a grass stem.

[haphazard-mind.livejournal.com]

Nah, that carriage guy isn't fabulous enough to be Lelouch. v__v

[piggyhoho.livejournal.com]

Not to mention he doesn't have boney shoulders. :D

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

Well, a blanket IS covering the shoulders...Pretty much the only thing you can get from the body shape is the long, skinny legs...

Still, I dunno...I kinda work both sides of this debate, since I want him to be alive...but I don't want his death scene cheapened, either. OH GOD I DON'T KNOW! ;_;

[snowdevil-crow.livejournal.com]

YES. THANK YOU FOR THIS.

I really don't want him to be alive. I love him and all, but it would make it all seem so cheap.

[consequences.livejournal.com]

it would be cheap. D8;

[sora-morikawa.livejournal.com]

Oh, you just killed my dream

XD

[strike-x-slash.livejournal.com]

White moustache~

O BBY, NOW CAN PEOPLE STOP SAYING LULU'S THE DRIVER?

C.C.'s been able to talk to the dead since S1, gaiz. Maybe she meant like, "Oh, you're dead so you're with your dead friends and family now."

Always telepathic telephoning Jupiter. Can she pay the long-distance fees?

[leitao.livejournal.com]

Just a quick (kinda unrelated) question about what I've been reading a lot on this comm. since yesterday: Why exactly does C.C. have to either be talking to the cart driver, or to Lelouch in C's World? Can't she just be doing the typical anime thing of speaking nostalgically to one long gone? For example, Ohgi does the exact same thing in regards to Naoto in the episode 25, as well.

[furato.livejournal.com]

That's the thing: C.C.'s line can be interpreted in many ways, and I think that's deliberately so. I don't see why people feel other people has to see it their way.

For me, I like to believe Lelouch is the cartman because of that little gesture in the end. C.C. is already looking up to the sky, so if she's talking to herself she can just maintain her posture, like Ougi when addressing Naoto, or Kallen who speaks to Lelouch in her mind while doing other things.

[gacktsuki.livejournal.com]

You know what, there's not point arguing because I'm pretty sure even the author doesn't know if Lelouch is dead or alive lol. That's just Sunrise's usual wtf-ness after all. They showed us some hints like the cart-driver's shoulder and CC talking to Lelouch, but did not confirm that Lelouch is alive. What do you think they doing? Here's the hint: if Lelouch is alive, some people might think the series is too cheesy; if he's dead, us fans will get angry. Sunrise is just trying to please all of us lol

[furato.livejournal.com]

LOL, you get that from QUALITY shot? XD When I saw that I see a straw in his mouth.
I counter you with

and its black portion above the skin to indicate black hair at top left. The screencap that surfaced first shows 1-2 frames after, where we can't see the skin, so it looks more like a shadow, but this one with the skin can more plausibly be hair.
Sure cartman might or might not be Lulu since we only get nanocrumbs for information, but the ones who believe cartman=Lulu has that and C.C.'s gesture towards to front of the carriage. Doesn't matter anyway since the ending is obviously made so that fans can choose to believe what they want. (Unless they make it clear in DVD/Bluray.)

[date-masamune69.livejournal.com]

how cc can do an origami?

is nanally made it for her?

i'm pretty sure that lelouch is alive!

on the video i don't see any mustache!

plus the link you gave faye_naruse convince me more !

[fai208.livejournal.com]

i thought that guy was lelouch 1st, thinking that being lelouch, he always has backup plans to save himself(and of course others). but it seems to me that his murder is real. and he already died by this scene. yes it hurts to see lelouch died. so, i just gonna stick to it and maybe change my mind when there is/are prove(by sunrise of course). we always want to think of about him being alive still, but at the end the truth had to be sink in.

oh the origami. i think cc learnt to make it when she met nunnally in the 1st season.