History, Request, Poll.

[tatooine.livejournal.com]

I've been gnawing a little on Geass's AU history, and the biggest problem I've hit is the defeat of the Romans -- probably the greatest moment of divergence from, well, the real world. Working with verity_isle's translation here, the date of that invasion is the date of the founding of the Britannian monarchy and the a.t.b. calendar (2017 years before Geass). Thing is, that invasion (Caesar's, as per the DVD extra) took place in 55 BCE, placing Geass in 2017 - 55 = ... the 1960's. While I can see how this explains Euphie's hippie skirt in episode five, I was wondering if the comm had any other ideas (ie "they probably meant one of the first century invasions").

I'm also looking to collect tidbits about historical and scientific differences -- er, stuff like "Elizabeth I had a child" (what was his name? I know someone mentioned it somewhere) and "they don't have internal combustion." So this post is also sort of a request for interviews/world-builder factoids stashed across the 'net. ♥

[Poll #964598]

EDIT: Oh, also. The "Holy" part of "Holy Britannian Empire" -- Christianity? Celtic traditions? Ego trip? World of C?

Comments

[areku1993.livejournal.com]

I love how the poll is almost totally irrelevant. XD
I have no idea what you're talking about but I just wanted to say that.

[crackjaw.livejournal.com]

Uh, would that make it a sort of much more modern branch of steampunk? 'Cause I'm sure the world was not capable of producing mechas in the 1960s.

</missing the point>

[tatooine.livejournal.com]

Mostly I was wondering whether or not Euphemia would be a Beatles fangirl. But that devolved into wondering if rock and roll even exists in Geass world. I imagine that European musical history would have gone on more or less the same through the 1800's, and Ragtime should still have been around in the American colonies anyways to mix with Western musical theory for jazz etc. etc. etc., therefore... amateur history and amateur music-study give us a BS "maybe" on rock by the 1960's?

...

... it would be easier if I could remember anyone ever listening to music on the show? XD

[tatooine.livejournal.com]

I dunno; with the exception of the Avalon, the Lancelot, and the Gawain, the main-stream mechs don't seem that high-tech. They're tanks on wheels with mounted machine-guns and sharp hook things.

[crackjaw.livejournal.com]

True, but we still can't make them even today. Especially the controls; that's a lot of complicated machinery to manipulate.

[hikari-cyhan.livejournal.com]

D: The Beatles are not irrelevant!

[crackjaw.livejournal.com]

Oh, and back on topic. I'm sure if the Beatles existed in Geassland we would have seen some of their influence in the show. They were seriously popular band, and I'd imagine their lyrics would be meaningful to a lot of people, especially with the amount that Britannia seems to be oppressing.

[zidane.livejournal.com]

If Pizza Hut is an inevitable product of history, and it must be because it's canonly in the show, then so are the Beatles. I mean, c'mon, it's the Beatles.

[areku1993.livejournal.com]

I'M SORRY. I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. D:

[xorinaoe.livejournal.com]

I agree with if Pizza Hut exists the Beatles exist. So does Led Zeppelin. Yeah, if they exist then the whole world is mellow and on crack. :D

[meitsu.livejournal.com]

Nah, personally, I don't think the beatles themselves existed in Geass world, for one, there wouldn't have been a pop culture explosion in a traditionist and anarchist continent. Secondly, if Britannia owned our US and UK, why would there be a popularization of Beatles ;), America did the most advertising for them. That's not to say there isn't a variation of them in that world...though most likely it'll come from ...EU? =ppp

Hm..but one must think, does BCE = BC? then what does E stand for =x?

Oh, the Holy part probably came from the fact that the Romans called their empire the Holy Roman Empire? The Romans adapted Christianity as their religion, and did spread it around. I'm tihnking that either 1)to gain the support of the influential people or 2) establish authority, they adapted Christianity (or some form of it) as their religion, too?

~_~ head hurts....oh, one more thing, I must say, Geass world is pretty unrealistic, but if our world was like their, then it would be superior to ours in terms of technology. While knightmare frames don't seem all that advanced, you must understand one thing: we have not been able to create a machine capable of accomplish human tasks to such a high degree, at that speed and strength. Knightmare frames look pretty hard to pilot, too (wtf? at least there were keyboards in gundams [SEED], but knightmare frames have basically two knobs, some buttons, and pullers [excluding the fact that Gawain has a billion controls], and knightmare frames are supposed to be on par with gundam in terms of movement?). THere's also the problem with Sakuradite and pressure, if they're innovative enough to build weapons (even huge ones for knightmare frames) with pressure-based theories, what do you think they could've done with gun powder? They haven't even went into the nuclear age yet, remember that ;)

[tatooine.livejournal.com]

BCE/CE is a secularization of the old BC/AD, with BCE and CE standing for Before Common Era and Cosmic Common Era, respectively.

Lancelot moves pretty fast, but the rest of the Knightmares move at... about the speed of a fast truck? Other than that, I assume everything else is done with very basic automation -- you press the button, the machine gun starts firing. You press the button, it jumps. Knightmare frame motion even looks very well adapted to pressure-based technology (the agility, etc.).

[spleen.livejournal.com]

I like to think piloting a Knightmare is a lot like playing a video game. 8D

[meitsu.livejournal.com]

"Before Common Era"? >_>' that's like...the wrongest accusation ever, how the heck does it become "common era" when it became imperialistic?
Another thought, i'm not getting something, our most popularized calender is based on religious presumptions, but Geass world's is based on a nation's history? I'm sure there's other calenders for the other parts of the world. But...does that mean... Jesus never came into existence in Geass world? >_>'' with Britannia/Celtic rise, etc....then why is it Holy...and why is there Christianity in the first place then? (Maybe Britannia took over the role of spreading Christianity from the Romans..i find that unlikely, though, seeing as how Christianity was spread all around the world thanks to Roman influence in the first place, and Britannia certainly didn't have that much territory when it rose up).

Lol, Lancelot moves fast because it's an exception =pppp and I don't count Suzaku as human, sooooooooo *changes topic*
The knightmare frames are pretty amazing, then, they (2 wheels) moving at the same speed as trucks (4-6 wheels), and the wheels are located on those moveable parts, meaning that long piece of thingy must have a huuuuge engine >_>', but they don't, and they might indicate advance desiging.
THe fact that you need only to move something similiar to a mouse to make a robot pull the trigger, move its hands, put it on the knightmare frame's hips (Cornelia did that), head towards somewhere, etc. must mean that they have a pretty amazing systems, don't you think? Most our robots can't even respon in those way, even if they do, they do it st snail speed, while Knightmare frames (which are larger) move it at human speed?

What I think....is that there's no need to dive too deep into the history, it's anime, not all of it must make sense, just like how a novel doesn't have to make sense =pppp

[meitsu.livejournal.com]

8D The new, totally amazing, Lancelot model! Only Y19,999 right now! you can do all sorts of stuff! Shoot people! fly! run through mountains! And! even move at super human speed!

[spleen.livejournal.com]

I bet Suzaku is awesome at all these action games. I wouldn't wanna play multiplayer with him.

[meitsu.livejournal.com]

Lol, shooter-king =p

Though, Suzaku would probably break keyboards and controllers all the time XD.

[chibifairy.livejournal.com]

I'm not trying to ignore the rest of your post (I just don't have much to say about it), but of course the Beatles exist in the Geass world! C'mon, we have PIZZA HUT. If Pizza Hut can make it into this world, so can the Beatles.

[norikosama.livejournal.com]

U CANNOT ESCAPE THE BEATLES NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO.
End of discussion.X3

[jdiam.livejournal.com]

Equalizer get.

[tatooine.livejournal.com]

You do believe in Beatles, you do, you do!

[jdiam.livejournal.com]

P-pedo bear.

[tatooine.livejournal.com]

The picture of Pedobear carrying Nunnally was too traumatizing to icon .

[jdiam.livejournal.com]

........it's now become my goal in life to find that image.

[vehemence.livejournal.com]

Their whole "Holy Roman Empire" title made me thing of two things. One, as someone stated above, the Holy Roman Empire, where the leaders within the Catholic Church were just as important of political players as the princes and kings and such. But the Brittanians don't seem to have much to do with religion, and no religious figures play any role so far... so that doesn't really match up. The second thing it made me think of was the sort of "holy manifest destiny" thing a lot of empires (and later America) had, where they stated that it was their God ordained future to conquer and expand. And THAT sounds very Brittanianish.
Aha... and the Beatles... a cameo appearance by good ol' Sir Paul would be like omg xD Because he IS a knight! AND HE COULD RESTORE PEACE AND LOVE TO THE EMPIRE!!!!!111