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[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

I'm creating a page at Rebellion where theories about the final episodes, and future episodes are expressed. I know there are other discussion posts about episode 24+25, but I want to create one where all these questions can be answered.

Anyway, here are some questions relating to the last 2 episodes:

1. Why was Kallen so incredibly shocked at seeing Lelouch's face?
2. What is Cornelia's fate?
3. What was/is Marianne planning?
4. How will Lelouch's and C.C.'s relationships change, or will they continue their (relatively) hostile and yet cooperative relationship?
5. Will Tokyo remain the same, will it be taken over by the Order or blown up by Nina?
6. Who shot and who got shot?
7. What is Villetta doing or going to do?
8. Do you think C.C. has a historical figure, if so, who would it be?
9. What will the main focus of Season 2 be? (e.g. will Lelouch still be fighting Area 11's government, or will he move onto a world scale? Or maybe it'll be in Suzaku's point of view)

And most important:

10. Is Orange really dead?
xD

Please post answers and theories to any number of the questions that you want to answer, remembering that I'll be putting them up on Rebellion <3

Crack answers are ok, but I won't be putting the really stupid ones up on the site.

btw, does anybody know when Season 2 will be out?

And if you have any good questions to add to this list, please comment ^_^

Comments

[megami-tsuki.livejournal.com]

4. I think they'll become much closer and more affectionate...in their own way. as that Black and White Nakie seacn and the kiss showed

5. Tokyo so gets blown up. It like an Anime rule or something... don't worry. they'll have it back up and running in like a week.

9. I think the focus will be explaning more about the Geass and CC and VV
and that mysterious place behind the door in the cave the stand off happened

10. It'll take more than a little death to kill Orange-kun XD

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

Orenji shall live! xD

[(Anonymous)]

well... You can pretty much guess whats the answer to those questions.

1. Kallen hates Britania. Although she went to a Britania school, she wasn't really associate with many people leave alone the men. Her Britania father wasn't there for her, and her mother is a real pain. And her borther she loved was killed by Britania as well. It is also that Kallen has this weird dream about Zero being her perfect guy. It happens that Luluche isn't really her type, so there... Who knows her type might be someone from Middle East or India and she was dreaming about that.

2. Cornalia's fate. Obviously she is not dead yet. More drama for S2.

3. There are a lot of speculations going on.

4. CC and Luluche? Well.. their relationship before ep 24+25 is identical to an old married couple. Now probably a newly wed again? Luluche x CC is obviously canon. With all the Official Art work, magazine covers, CD and story developments, you got to be lying to yourself if you aren't seeing it. She probably disappear for the first 3-4 episodes of the next season though. It also might be likely that she will be captured again.

5. Nina is not gonna press the bomb (well, even if she did it won't went off). This thing is created by Sunrise, and Sunrise is a pussy for killing characters. They don't really dare making the plot awesome by killing popular characters. Unless there is some kind of "revival" or "time reset" crap going on, people in tokyo won't get blown up. Unless S2 was made by Gainax.

6. Obviously Kallen got shot by V.V. who is hiding in the shadow. "You are not needed Nee-san. I only need those two, the true Geass candidates." After that he teleport them up to the hall of twilight. Woot CLIMAX~(now I said this, Anonymous probably won't cover me up anymore).

7. Vietta, I wonder if Vietta has some bad past with the eleven. In any case Orange is a LOT more awesome than Ougi. I lol'd hard hearing the way Orange speaks

8. It was stated in one of the FO interview that; "All the connection will be clear one CC's name is revealed". From here we can pretty much assume that she at some point has a famous name, either historical or legendary. She however lost her memory, she don't really know what the hell she is. I am guessing that "Witch" was the name branded to her by the people during the witch hunt period. Her identity remains a secret. (Also if you were following FO QA since the starts of the series, you should know that she was a human who turn immortal after a certain event. more mystery).

9. Another QA states that S2 will have increasing focus on Susaku, although the main focus will still be on Luluche." It is most likely the Black Knight VS Britania. Keep in mind that The Black Knight is NOT Japanese army. Zero intended to make it army of the world: Justice who protect the weak. We probably have Black Knight in other country pretty soon, moving out of the realm of Japan.

10. well... welcome to Sunrise. Orange is ALIVE~ suddenly he would appear around ep 10 of S2 saying "ZEROOO~" ... sigh so lame but can it even turn out other way?

To the other anonymous

[(Anonymous)]

To the other anonymous: I don't see what you are going on about in your little tangent there, as you kinda forgot something. Euphie was a popular character, and she got killed off, and I doubt there is gonna be a "resurection" of her character sometime down the road. Goro Taniguchi =/= The director of Gundam SEED. It also seems kinda apperent you are making a generalization of Sunrise and seem to not be familer with a good number of their works (mecha in particular) pre SEED/Mai-Hime (I say Mai-Hime cause...well, if you know the ending, then you know what I mean), where they (In Tomino's series anyway) killed off a lot of characters popular and not. Even most of the main cast, so I think it is best to refrain from making a sweeping generalization of a studio that has been around since the 70s based on a few of their works in the 2000s.

[lulu-quality.livejournal.com]

1. I believe Kallen was shocked because Lulu had been close to her the entire time, yet never trusted her enough to tell her and choose to lie to her and everyone else the entire time. In addition, the opinions he voiced in ep. 9 were relatively insulting and went against her own beliefs. Also, when he was unmasked, Lulu implied that he had used the BK and Kallen the entire time for his own gains and that the liberation of Japan (the reason the OoBK was founded on) was never his intention. He treated that as just a fortunate side-effect thus making it seem that Kallen and the others were simply his pawns the entire time. Imagine if the person that you trusted so much you would sacrifice yourself for in actuality had never viewed you more than a pawn and had lied to you the entire time. That about sums up how Kallen feels. Also, Lulu just HAD to follow that up with saying that he is the "the man who will obtain the world" -_-;;;;.....

2. Although I initially thought she was dead, as we didn't see concrete evidence of that. Instead I think she'll wind up in a coma or something from loss of blood. I wonder if she remembers Zero=Lulu though. She probably does, which makes me curious as to how she'll act on that information.

3. I'm guessing whatever she is/was planning is related to the entire Ragnarok thing. Who knows what that is though. Maybe she wants Lulu to become the next emperor....

4. I'm not the only one who thought the C.C.XLulu kiss was more like the kiss Misato gave to Shinji in EoE. I didn't really view the kiss as romantic, but more as an attachment/good luck kind of thing. Plus, how old is C.C. exactly -_-;;;; It's like dating your great, great, great.....(insert x number of greats here) grandmother, so it's hard for me at least to view their relationship as anything more than accomplices. Also in some interview, Yukana (I think it was) stated that after C.C. showed up at Lulu's house with no visible injury, Lulu stopped thinking of her as a human altogether.

5. I can see Tokyo going along with Nina, but I can't see Nina as being the cause for that. Despite not being created by CLAMP, it does have some of their creative influences so I think Tokyo is going to go in true CLAMP fashion.

6. I'm going to go with the idea that the shot wasn't actually a gunshot. Despite the Mr. 2chspoiler who stated that being a fake, it wasn't denied by the real Mr. Spoilers, which indicates that there might be some truth to that.

7. Villetta will either continue on her own looking up information on Lulu, or more likely, rejoin the Britannian military and impart this information. Also revenge. Lots of revenge.

8. There was a most probably fake spoiler stating that C.C. was Princess Elizabeth, Elizabeth of Bavaria, or something along those lines (although the timelines don't match at all), but I do think the possibility of her real name being Elizabeth, Narcissa, or Cecilia (as the nickname for both is Sissi/Cissi). C.C. did impart the info that she knew Benjamin Franklin in one of the drama CDs though, although she's definitely older than that.

9. Taniguchi said in an interview that the 2nd season would move onto the world stage and talked about season 1 like it was a prologue to the events to come. I think it'll be a main focus, but will tie into the backstory/more information on the geass. In episode 19, it was revealed that the appearance of shrines like those on Kaminejima may be how the path of conquest is determined, so I think that will come into play.

10. Uh....maybe :D? I'm not sure how he would figure into events ahead apart from being a former guard for Marianne, but then again, there's no concrete evidence that he died.....

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

He treated that as just a fortunate side-effect thus making it seem that Kallen and the others were simply his pawns the entire time. I think he did just see them as pawns though >.>

I wonder if she remembers Zero=Lulu though. She didn't remember when she was talking to Suzaku, or maybe she was too tired or something? *shrugs*

I didn't really view the kiss as romantic, but more as an attachment/good luck kind of thing. I hope so, I'm not really a C.C.xLulu fan xD

I can see Tokyo going along with Nina I don't really see CLAMP having any input or influences, but I agree, that Tokyo might go.

Anyway, thanks for your input <33

[helenbutterfly.livejournal.com]

2. I say we will still see Cornelia in Season 2, but not for long - she will die in episode 2 or something.

3. I'm not sure, what was Marianne planning, but I suppose it's something really good. And the plan obviously has a connection with C.C.

4. The end of Season 1 has showed that C.C. and Lelouch oficially trust ech other and are friends, because in the beginning there were too many doubts. I hope Lelouch realises that C.C. is the only one, who understands him and will always stay by his side.

5. In my opinion, it would be really cool to see Tokyo get blown up. XD But then again, for Tokyo becoming an empty space.. No, it should either remain the same or let it become a war place with many buildings being crushed.

8. Somehow I see Jeanne D'Arc in C.C. D'Arc was burned and called a witch too. Also my theory would explain, why C.C. is cold on the outside and is a good fighter.

9. I think there won't be Season 3. All questions will be solved in S2. Lelouch is going to kick Emperor's butt. I have a feeling Emperor also has some kind of connection with Geass. L!Geass VS E!Geass? XD

10. Are you serious? Orange-kun will live!~ He's awesome like that. XD

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

I say we will still see Cornelia in Season 2, but not for long - she will die in episode 2 or something. Me too, she'll follow the tradition of Clovis and Euphie ;_;

The end of Season 1 has showed that C.C. and Lelouch oficially trust ech other and are friends, because in the beginning there were too many doubts. I hope Lelouch realises that C.C. is the only one, who understands him and will always stay by his side. His warlock line seemed promising for C.C.xLulu fans xD

[helenbutterfly.livejournal.com]

Me too, she'll follow the tradition of Clovis and Euphie ;_;
Yeah. I'm not actually a fan of hers, but I do think she is a very interesting character. =/ Do you think Lulu will kill Schneizel too?

His warlock line seemed promising for C.C.xLulu fans xD
Yeah, that warlock line was even more enjoyable than the kiss! XD Though I would really love to see lovey-dovey stuff, I would still prefer and expect more cold C.C./Lelouch moments. Er.. mot cold, but not really warm, ya know. ;)

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

Yeah, if you try and imagine C.C. and Lelouch lovey moments...
Lelouch: C.C.!
C.C. *BLUUUSSSH*

It doesn't work xD

Do you think Lulu will kill Schneizel too? Probably, especially since Schneizel knows where his mother's body is.

[helenbutterfly.livejournal.com]

Yeah, if you try and imagine C.C. and Lelouch lovey moments...
Lelouch: C.C.!
C.C. *BLUUUSSSH*

It doesn't work xD
That does sound kinda wrong! XD

Probably, especially since Schneizel knows where his mother's body is
Well, Schneizel does know that, but why kill him? Lelouch even wanted to save Cornelia. =/ But then again, Lelouch doesn't like Schneizel, 'cause he beat Lulu at chess... XD

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

C.C. and Lelouch romance... I can't really picture it xD

I dunno, but having any of his siblings alive is a threat, since they're all pretty much against Zero. Euphemia was the only one who would've lived with the secret. If Cornelia/Schneizel don't know Zero's identity, then they're gonna keep on trying to kill him. If they do know Zero is Lelouch, they'd probably tell somebody.

[helenbutterfly.livejournal.com]

Yeah! I can imagine an ending with Lelouch the King and C.C. the Queen, but before that having lovey-dovey moments, when they blush or have the I-am-so-in-love-with-you-my-gorgeous look? Naaaaah. XD

Hmm... yeah. I actually think that at the end Lelouch kills all his family members, except for Nunally, becomes king and stuff. ;p
OH! There's another thing. According to the Your-Mum subs, there is another Prince! Schneizel's older brother, whose name we still don't know. Is that true? The guy with the tired look, who was sighing lots at a conference, which Schneizel was attending... Is he really a prince?

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

Yeah he is! He's the first prince, Schneizel called him "aniue" which means like "respectable elder brother".

His names was Odysseus, which was in gg's fansubs. I don't think Schneizel likes him much. Odysseus was sort of like "I don't want to do anything" and Schneizel was kind of annoyed at him, he said "Isn't it sad? People are killing each other." Which I think indirectly meant "Don't you care? People are killing each other"

Odysseus seems kind of like a coward, when Schneizel volunteered to go to Japan and help out Cornelia, Odyesseus was like "ZOMG REALLY YAY I DON'T HAVE TO DO IT THEN," but then again he's only been on screen for a minute or so xD

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[helenbutterfly.livejournal.com]

Odysseus? ... Why does this name remind of me of a Greek myth? O_O *shot*
I wonder, if Lelouch likes Odysseus? I think not, because the first prince sure looks like a coward! Maybe he's not a bad guy. :p

Really, thank you so much for the information! ♥ :)

@ C.C.: ... NO WAI. XD We did see a pic of C.C. blushing in a recent picture though, which looked kinda cute. But for Lelouch making her blush... NAH. XD

P.S. Okey, why does Koutei have so many children?! O_o 7 of them! And.. how many times was he married?

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

C.C. blushing in a non-edited pic? Where? xD

I think he has a lot more kids than 7. Lelouch is like the 11th Prince and 17th inline for the throne. I'm not sure how it works, it could be that the oldest children have the most priority. That would mean Lelouch has 6 older sisters and 10 older brothers. Then there are Nunnally and possibly Euphemia who are younger then him.

So that accounts for 19 kids so far xD

But if the empresses/concubines (like Marianne and Euphie's mother) have priority over children then it'd be different.

Odysseus? ... Why does this name remind of me of a Greek myth? O_O *shot*
He is part of a Greek myth, a very famous one too! He's the main character of the Odyssey, but he's not a coward, he's really smart xD I don't think Lelouch really likes him though, Odyesseus is too old to have been a close brother to Lelouch. And if he is as cowardly as he seemed in episode 24, Lelouch probably hates him o.o

[helenbutterfly.livejournal.com]

C.C. blushing in a non-edited pic? Where? xD
here you go, my child XD (http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u233/helenbutterfly13/Lelouchofthe.Rebellion_305973.jpg)

19 kids?! O__O Now THAT'S what I call a BIG family! XD

Oh, you're right! I'm Russian and in Russian it's Odyssey, so I had a few doubts about the name being from a Greek myth.

*munch* Gosh. I have learned so much from this conversation. Thank you so much! ♥

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

C.C. blushing! xD But that's hardly from Lelouch ^^;;

Haha thanks <3

[nikki-chan-2006.livejournal.com]

2.)I really hope that Cornelia will make it to season 2.>.>

3.)I really don't know...It can be anything.

4.)I think that Lelouch && C.C. will be closer, but not into lover-relationship-mode...yet

5.)It'll be blown up of course >=] Then maybe people will acknowledge the girl more..or not.>.>

6.)who shot?

~~>Kallen

who got shot?

~~>suzaku (but of course..with the live geass thingeh, he'll live.>.>)

or

~~>nunally...

8.)All I think is..she has a connection with Marianne.x]

10.) ABSOLUTELY NOT!!

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

lol, it'd be funny-weird if Kallen somehow shot Nunnally... xDDD

[monstez.livejournal.com]

1. To say Kallen didnt expect Zero to be a Britannia is wrong, as Zero did mentioned before he is one. So maybe Kallen felt betrayed by Zero, that he used her? Maybe to Kallen, Zero is this perfect guy and lelouch isn't perfect enuff? Lol! P.S he is soooo perfect for me..

2. She is not shown nor mentioned dead, so there's a chance she is not.

3. Something, but she is said to protect Nunally from the attackers, or was it part of her plot too?

4. Their relationship will definitely go deeper. You can see Lelouch's and C.C's face soften when they talk to each other in the end, like when she tell him to succeed and him telling her not to die.

5. The Order is pretty much beaten up after Zero left, unless Todoh can do another miracle, I'll say Tokyo is Britannia's. And I don't think Nina will blow it up. Lolyd is there to tell her not to.

6. Its a one gun shot sound, so it may not be Suzaku and Lelouch. Nunally? Or Kallen shot Suzaku and talk to Zero.
I have a more comical one in mind:
Lelouch and Suzaku is screaming their lungs out, ready to shoot when.....
Kallen is so shocked that her gun accidentally misfire... A moment of silence, then Kallen goes..."SORRY!!!! Accident!!! Sorry!!"
Lelouch: You gave me a huge scare! I thought I was a goner!
Suzaku: Yea! I thought this moron shot me!
Lelouch: Well I could do that.
Suzaku: OO

Ok, thats lame, sorry....back to questions....

7. Ah, she will try to regain her position in Britannia military...Purist...Bah...

8. I think C.C is someone famous before or someone that is related to Lelouch? When Lelouch learnt of her name, he seems somewhat a little surprise, but also it may be because her name is nice? Lol!

9. I see season 2 trying to close all the plots, may unravel who is C.C, whats her name, Zero main focus may be getting to the emperor, I don't see him taking over the world, I mean he pratically bail out on the Order, will they forgive him? Not forgetting that Kallen knows that he used them as pawns...

10. Ah... Please die man, you're just so irritating....

[asuran.livejournal.com]

Actually, he never said he was a Britannian. He said he wasn't Japanese. That is actually a big difference.

[monstez.livejournal.com]

hmm, you're right, my mistake, my bad...But I still don't think she's shock because he's Britannia, I think she's shocked because he's Lelouch.

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

Haha, although I thought Jeremiah was pretty interesting before....

Yeah, I think he should just stay dead too o.O

[jay-kaou.livejournal.com]

6. I can't tell either one. I just saw Lulu placed that bomb thingy at his chest. (I hope no one gets shot.)

9. I think the second series might focus at Suzaku and he might investigate about the Geass.

10. LET ORANGE-KUN LIVE!!

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

I think the second series might focus at Suzaku and he might investigate about the Geass.
Maybe, then they could make a Code Geass Season 3 for more money xD

[(Anonymous)]

1. Why was Kallen so incredibly shocked at seeing Lelouch's face?
(This has been adequately answered above.)

2. What is Cornelia's fate?
(Probably unconscious and will recover. If she was supposed to die, she would've told Suzaku to "hide the news of my death" not "injury.")

3. What was/is Marianne planning?
(Dunno, don't really care.)

4. How will Lelouch's and C.C.'s relationships change, or will they continue their (relatively) hostile and yet cooperative relationship?
(I'd like to see them continue their current relationship. I'm not really a fan of the pairing, so it'll be a little weird for me to see them get all cute and lovey.)

5. Will Tokyo remain the same, will it be taken over by the Order or blown up by Nina?
(I see a few possibilities:
a. The Britannian counterattack is successful, or Schneizer's fleet arrives in time to drive away the Black Knights.
b. The Black Knights and the Britannians come to a stalemate, during which the Chinese Federation moves in for the kill and takes over Japan.
c. Toudou pulls off a miracle and manages to turn the tide in their favor (the least unlikely IMO).
d. The Black Knights kill Nina (probably by sniper rifle), take the nuke, and use it as leverage to bring the Brits to the bargaining table.
e. One thing's I'm sure of is that Nina will NOT detonate the nuke. Or she will, but it will fail to explode.)

6. Who shot and who got shot?
(Call me crazy, but what if Lelouch shot Kallen...)

7. What is Villetta doing or going to do?
(Haven't thought this through, interesting though.)

8. Do you think C.C. has a historical figure, if so, who would it be?
(Don't know, don't care right now.)

9. What will the main focus of Season 2 be? (e.g. will Lelouch still be fighting Area 11's government, or will he move onto a world scale? Or maybe it'll be in Suzaku's point of view)
(I am absolutely positive the other superpowers, or at least the Chinese Federation, will play a big role in Season 2. We've already got the reports of the Chinese fleet ready to attack Japan, plus there was that Chinese man we saw briefly in episode 23. To go even further, I think Lelouch may actually ally with the Chinese against Britannia, maybe even against the European Union. Remember folks, the world isn't all about Britannia.)

10. Is Orange really dead?
(Absolutely not. This isn't Full Metal Alchemist.)

- Phantom Kensai

[(Anonymous)]

"c. Toudou pulls off a miracle and manages to turn the tide in their favor (the least unlikely IMO)."

Oops, I meant to say "the least LIKELY IMO." Toudou may be good, but he's not THAT good.

- Phantom Kensai

[(Anonymous)]

1. Kallen was sent to fetch Zero and find out what happened since he effectively abandoned the OOTBK for no reason. As we saw, without Zero, the OOTBK started to fall to pieces without anyone directing the flow of battle.

When Kallen sees that Zero is Lelouche, she knows that Lelouche doesn't care about Japanese's independence. (As seen in Ep 9) Kallen feels betrayed that Zero doesn't care about Japanese independence, that he would abandon them in their moment of need as he just did, and that he would use her and the Japanese people just for his revenge.

Also keep in mind how much of a Zero fangirl she was, and her shocked crying doesn't come off quite as odd.

Then again her mood swings are quite unexpected and murderous. :P

2-10) Obviously, the rest of the questions aren't answerable until the next season comes out or we get a leak.

[cr-balmung.livejournal.com]

Well I believe this.

Kallen shoots Suzaku and kills him pretty much.

V.V. comes and makes a contract with Suzaku (I'm really going with this!)

Lelouch gets out of the cave with Nunally, or V.V. kills Nunally and makes a contract with her instead of Suzaku.

C.C. comes flying out of the ocean with Gawain after drowning Orange-kun and stealing an energy filler! xD

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

Oo, interesting! I was thinking that nothing fatal would happen, because all the character involved are too important. But then, V.V. is there to save the day xD

Thanks for your input! ^_^