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[megami-tsuki.livejournal.com]

Ne, why do you suppose Nina is so scared of the Japanese...Like when Suzaku comes to the school she all like 'Eek an 11..." and she's all scared more that the others during the hostage ep...they never show or explain the reason.

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[haiiro.livejournal.com]

Good ol'fashioned racism. Thinkg about Nina...she's a Britannian, so anything she would have ever learned about "Elevens" would have been tainted to the whole Britannian way of thinking. Furthermore, what with the resistance, the Japanese are made out to all be terrorists on the news, since that's all Britannian as well.

Simply put, the girl was likely raised to think the way she does.

[megami-tsuki.livejournal.com]

But so are the other members of the student counsel. Shierly, Ribal...
Milly is from a prestigious family...getting married off to Lloyd who's an Earl even. If anyone's been raised with the Birtanic ideal it's her and she had no problems... Nina's the only one of the who group that seems to have an obvious major issue with Japanese...It's appernt she's had some kind of turmatic expreiance, but they never show/explane what it is...

[powercorrupts.livejournal.com]

Not everyone who is racist has had a traumatic experience. I think it's nice to rationalize that she has an underlying reason for it, but I think it would be cheap if there were. People who are prejudiced usually don't have a good reason for it. I don't think it's infeasible that Nina has simply been raised by people who scorn or fear the Elevens. Milly's family doesn't strike me as exactly model Britannian citizens - they wouldn't have helped Nunnally and Lelouch if they were, I suspect.

[jdiam.livejournal.com]

In episode 8, they hint at something having happened to her in the past. When their train passes through a tunnel and Nina panics, Milly comments on the security in Kawaguchiko(?) and tells her that they "won't leave her behind this time". I believe it has something -- not everything, but something -- to do with that.

[megami-tsuki.livejournal.com]

Ya, I noticed that too... Think they'll go into more detail about it in the next season?

[jdiam.livejournal.com]

I lean towards no; we have enough to tell us that whatever went down wasn't good and besides, it must have happened a while back so I don't see any of the characters bringing it up with any more detail than Milly has already. Also, it seems to have set precedence, given how they handled Villetta's escape and recovery much in the same way.

[honou-no-izumi.livejournal.com]

Hope they do explain the Nina part of the story. XD Because that might make the scene where Nina masturbate over Euphie's pic make sense. XD

[jdiam.livejournal.com]

I don't know, I think it makes sense as it stands! Euphie saved her life, and I don't think Nina's had people stand up for all that often. She just.. well, confused the feelings of security she derived from this as something romantic and sexual. Add that it was a princess giving her the attention and consideration, and things are that much more overwhelming for the poor girl.

[honou-no-izumi.livejournal.com]

I dunno... perhaps it was just me. Because I can't think that what Nina acted was normal.

Assuming if it was just confusion over the fact that you were saved by a noble made made you feel grateful, masturbate not the only immediate thing you can do. You might feel grateful that this stranger dare risk their life for you... even if they were royal. But acting like some obsessed maniac like that? I can't see it being done without the person having some kinda trauma that made them think that it's okay doing that. I mean... Nina being a girl and Euphie a girl as well.

Say, replace Shirley with Nina and she instead be the one in that situation... I cannot see her acting the way Nina did. I mean... by just one encounter. Without any sexual trauma being involved. Well... my thoughts.

[jdiam.livejournal.com]

"I can't see it being done without the person having some kinda trauma that made them think that it's okay doing that. I mean... Nina being a girl and Euphie a girl as well."

If this is what you want explained then sorry, but I'm dropping the conversation here.

[wasuretai.livejournal.com]

Homophobic? Naw, you just heterophobic.

[jdiam.livejournal.com]

Sorry; as wasuretai pointed out, my initial response wasn't quite worded the way it should have been. I don't quite agree with what you said, but it's a matter of personal belief and I've no interest in debating on that level. The subject matter -- rape and sexuality -- also leaves me a little uncomfortable. We will simply have to agree to disagree.

[honou-no-izumi.livejournal.com]

I don't mind.

It's just I always believe that any actions have its cause and consequences. And the rape theory I gave in another comment was separate to that. In relation to her fears against Elevens. And that's another assumption.

For all we know she might have just watched porns. XD. Nah... I said that earlier because I wonder if they gonna add some more interesting stuff on her other then just being some made racist brittannian princess fan-stalker. XD

[jdiam.livejournal.com]

My mistake, then!

I think that alone makes her an interesting character, but I do see it a little differently than you. What we learn in 8 is just a small dose of insight into her racism. Her quick attraction to Euphie illustrates that she's far more socially and emotionally stunted than we'd really been led to believe. And both lead in to Euphie and the SAR, her death, and Nina's quest for revenge rather cleanly, I find.

[powercorrupts.livejournal.com]

I can't see it being done without the person having some kinda trauma that made them think that it's okay doing that. I mean... Nina being a girl and Euphie a girl as well.

Not all women who masturbate to thoughts of other women have been molested. I know there are schools of thought to that effect, and I don't know if that's what you were implying, but personally I think it's a little offensive.

Can't Nina's actions stand for themselves without some underlying meaning? Does she need to be redeemed with a dark past? Other characters are allowed to do disgusting acts with little to no provocation, I don't see why everyone keeps looking for some meaning in what Nina has done.

Nina reacts differently to situations than Shirley or Milly would because she's a different person. It's as simple as that.

[honou-no-izumi.livejournal.com]

I don't want to imply that of course. I simply saying that that maybe there's something that she experienced/see gave rise to her actions. The rape theory aside, since that was among the theories I heard before... I had always believe that anything has its cause and effects. Or consequences. Perhaps there's something in her past that she saw... perhaps things that happen in her family. Anything.

I'm sure that'll add some dynamics to her character.

[angel-katsumi.livejournal.com]

I think that Nina is afraid of being shooted by one of them just because she's a Britannian! o_O

[honou-no-izumi.livejournal.com]

Perhaps... something happened in the past when she was left behind and stumbled into something bad? Like rape or something. That could leave a traumatic scar on her. and that might explain that obsession she had with Euphie.

I think I heard a similar theory on this before. And Nina did appear as if she could be a victim. Well... my thoughts.

[honou-no-izumi.livejournal.com]

Because to put it to just pure racism gave me a feeling of something missing. Like there was more than meets the eye...

[shiroukotori.livejournal.com]

Nina is a Brittanian, she's been raised with an Imperialist and racist doctrine her whole life. Not every one can be a racist bully, her expression of racism is just in her fear. She's terrified of what she doesn't know or understand, especially since the idea that 11's are DIFFERENT is the reigning philosophy amongst Britanians. I always thought that Milly and the rest of the student council were ODDLY tolerant of Suzaku considering. Nina would definitely be afraid of a regular Japanese person...but Suzaku was accused of murdering a noble, people that should be completely protected at all times. Its not surprising that she freaks out.

I do think though that Geass does a great job of using the tolerant members of the student council to highlight the debilitating effect of extreme racism that Nina embodies.

In response to the idea that something terrible happened to her with the Japanese...I get the feeling that she's always been a bit delicate of constitution. I don't think it could have been worse than getting mugged though, I don't see her re-entering regular life and school if it had been truly traumatic.