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[lulu-holic.livejournal.com]

hi  everyone!

 i was just wondering today about lelouch if he had ever told suzaku about his mather's case when they were young toghether? because i dont remember suzaku mentioning that or lelouch recalling that to suzaku or suzaku recalling that to lelouch.

if the code geass novel contains some extra stories btween suzaku and lelouch when they were young, did anyone know if the novel mentioned that?? evevn nunnally doesnt mention that to suzaku, right??

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[spleener.livejournal.com]

I'm guessing Suzuaku knows about what happened to Lulu's mother, either Lulu told him or he found out himself.

[wija-chan.livejournal.com]

I have a feeling he might not know. o.o
_{I'd have to rewatch the whole season 1 to be sure of my answer though.
Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong. ='o}

[lulu-holic.livejournal.com]

since lelouch is not open and not social so much, i think he didnt even tell his close friend suzaku about his mother's death, i think even Millay dont know about it, right?? (oO

[deviousweasel.livejournal.com]

No, Milly knows. The Ashford family supported Marianne and were stripped of their nobility when she died.

[jczala.livejournal.com]

Milly knows of Marianne's history. The Ashford Family are loyal supporters of Marianne. That's why they took in Lelouch and Nunnally in the academy.

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

Nope, Millay knows that Lelouch is friggin royalty even, since her family took them in. I'd assume she knows what happened to his mother as well.

BTW, I heard somewhere that Lelouch and Millay are cousins, is that true?

[gatekeepers-21.livejournal.com]

That probably would make sense because of Charles 654353453 wives.

But I don't remember hearing that o:

[scuba-dooba.livejournal.com]

I think I read that somewhere, too.

[sevoth.livejournal.com]

Really? I don't seem to remember that at all. False spoilers maybe? It'd be pretty weird if they were, since Milly likes Lelouch.... Then again, Geass is pretty fond of incest.

[hopechan.livejournal.com]

Iunno if Lulu knew exactly, but Marianne's death would be a matter of public record, wouldn't it? She was the Emperor's wife, after all. I dunno if Lelouch getting stripped of his rank would be public knowledge as well, but given the role of the media in Britannia we've seen until now, it's possible.

So unless Suzaku was the single most oblivious kid in the world, he'd probably know.

[hopechan.livejournal.com]

Err, I don't know if Suzaku knew, that is.

[rkold.livejournal.com]

I dunno know, at times Suzaku is pretty darn oblivious and while the Britannian Empire is a huge sprawling dangerous empire, Suzaku is Japanese and how much someone under 10/10 is really following International news is up for debate. ^_^;; How many 10 year olds in the USA do you think know about the recent murders in Akihabara? ^^;;

I also want to say I think Suzaku was sort of squirreled away within Japan living in the Kururugi jinja Playing dress up with cousin Kayuga so he was even more out of the loop. What was shared when Lelouch and Nunnally came there, is not really known. Geass does tend to keep characters ignorant though, since you'd think Britannian children in Ashford might have heard of Prince Lelouch and Princess Nunnally and would have thought it a little weird that there were two siblings with those exact same names and Marianne's maiden name going to their school. It's like sort of have to wonder why none of the KoR really appeared in season R1.

[rainbow-cnxn.livejournal.com]

It seems that Genbu didn't tell him, and he couldn't figure it out himself. However, one of the few things that the material does tell us is that Nunnally told Suzaku about everything in SE 0.522.

But in general, Geass is terrible about giving us any clue of their chibis' backstory.

The KoR detail bugs me in more than one way. And I think the fact that the Gawain was named as such indicates that the KoR were not originally planned to be there.

[rkold.livejournal.com]

I mean I love Gino and Anya and GinoSuza slash and the KoR costumes are way hot, but it does sort of seem like an odd last minute add-on for R2. At the school festival you get a quick view of Darlton's adopted sons so their appearance doesn't seem as odd. Judging from that festival one would think the KoR would be known and you'd think the Emperor would have sent one in to help with Zero and the Chinese instead of just relying on Suzaku unless this was some sort of test of those kids to see if they would make a good next monarch.

There are a few things that just really bug me in terms of R2. So in 25 Lelouch wasn't *REALLY* trying to kill Suzaku cause the geass didn't kick in?!? And how come Kallen seems so accepting of Nunnally now being a princess. And why is Shirley so quick to forgive Kallen who helped kill her father?!?! And also how did they know to geass away her memories of finding signs that she had discovered Lulu==Zero. Also, a bit confused as I thought Rolo's Gawain was slightly different as the prototype and you'd think Suzaku, Anya and Gino would recognize it in 06. ^_^;

And now Guinevere is an actual princess and not a Knightmare or cat. ^_^;

I'm seriously convinced Geass needed to hire me to keep track of plots and keep away plotholes. lol They could have just paid me in GinoSuza slashy moments.

I'm behind on the drama CDs/picture books but I could see Nunnally sharing and Genbu not. Genbu doesn't hit me as the type to have told much to Suzaku. ^_^;; I mean wasn't he sort of canonically kept hidden away even pre-the whole Britannian war? Also why did none of the 6 families or their remains take in Suzaku!?!? It seems almost like he was handed over to the Britannians to do with as they pleased.

I'd love to know who/what happened to Suzaku's mom ^_^;; Is she Okuda Takiko?!?!

[lb-x.livejournal.com]

Also why did none of the 6 families or their remains take in Suzaku!?!? It seems almost like he was handed over to the Britannians to do with as they pleased.

I remember there being a line earlier in the anime (Toudou, I think) saying that Suzaku was taken in by the 'Kururugi clan', but that after he decided to join the Britannian military they refused to have anything to do with him. I can't remember which episode that was though, but early on in season one.

[rkold.livejournal.com]

Really, cause I could have sworn when it comes out that Suzaku killed Genbu and in that one picture book where we see how angsty Suzaku truly is that the impression is given that the families just hushed things up but didn't do anything for him. Though I also might be getting that confused with the novel where Suzaku kills his Dad to save Nunnally and Lelouch. ^_^;; It gets so confusing!

Actually that is another question, how long has Suzaku been with the Britannian military and why does the Britannian military seem so happy to have such underage members ^_^; I mean Suzaku is what 17, and obviously not out of high school yet in R1. Gino is a KoR, 19 and has been a KoR for at least 1+ years since he was a KoR when Suzaku joined up and Anya is what 15 now and also has been a KoR for over a year? o_O;

It's one thing for terrorists to recruit them young for a cause (i.e. it doesn't seem weird to me that Kallen is 17/18) but doesn't it seem a little weird for the Britannians to have so many child soldiers o_O;

[lb-x.livejournal.com]

Add to that Kaguya's comment in the last episode that they're the "last of the 6 Kyoto families" and I'm really not sure what to think. Something lost in translation? Sunrise not keeping notes? This is exactly why Sunrise owes us some Suzaku backstory D:

I think Sunrise just likes young soldiers in general :/ We can go back to the Gundam Wing boys, who all were child soldiers before getting involved in their teens, and the Seed characters were around the 17 age mark too, weren't they?

[rkold.livejournal.com]

Technically the Wing boys are all terrorists (like Setsuna was in 00) so their being young again is less odd, since generally it's easier to indoctrinate the young XD; In Seed, Kira and buddies are "accidental" soldiers for Earth Alliance and ZAFT is semi-desperate cause of their low birthrate so I think more willing to overlook age issues. (Since Asuran is 16 and I think Nicol is 15, but they're also the only under 18 soldiers we meet in ZAFT I think.) But Anya still wins for youngest and the birthrate doesn't seem that low in Britannia, not with the king of pimps the Emperor and his gabillion kids. Heck, Gino is a 4th son himself.

Well we know Kirihara died sometime between the Euphinator and R2 09, so there is one family down. ^^; But I can't remember why now, but I thought Suzaku was the last Kururugi post Genbu's death. Though again I might be getting things confused with the non-canon novel. The impression in that one drama is there was no one left for Suzaku, which makes me think there were no other Kururugis. I just remember thinking to myself how sad and hopeless he looked and I thought it was horrible that Lelouch and Nunnally just left him lol But I have a huge soft spot for Suzaku. XD; I want to say he claims there the Kyoto families have said he should go to Kyoto to the Britannian authorities or something like that so Lelouch and Nunnally won't worry about him. I know none of the old men who get named with Kirihara were Kururugi and you'd think if there were other Kururugis they'd be with Kirihara. I think I had interrupted Todou's statement as the 5 remaining families semi-breaking with Suzaku when he joined the military, but it's not clear when that was and how involved they were with him before that. It's really hard to imagine him and Kayuga just sort of hanging out together for 4-5 years.

I really have so many questions about Suzaku and I don't think Suzaku's spin off series really counts for answers since it's already pretty AU to the anime. ^_^;; I so wish we would get more about Suzaku but I so know it's not going to happen. ;;_;;

[lb-x.livejournal.com]

Hmm, well, I'm not up on my British history, but wasn't the military position usually designated for 3rd or 4th sons in the 1700-ish? So perhaps they're older siblings are just off doing more important things, and thus, the younger ones are the soldiers? It doesn't account for their mad-skillz, but might explain why they're all so young on the Britannia side ...

And not that I want to bring the dub into this, because it's the dub, but I thought it was weird when they had the one line that said "you are the eldest son of Japan's last Prime Minister" because it clearly teases at Suzaku having siblings of some sort. Apparently the dub also said that Suzaku's family "broke contact with him after he joined the military" (ep4 according to my journal spamming) ... wonder if that was in the original script, hmm.

This boy's family is just impossible to keep track of, heh. Sunrise needs to release a new special - "Suzaku-sensei's history of Geass-verse Japan"!

[rkold.livejournal.com]

I'm not quite as up on my British history as I once was either XD; I think it's pretty normal for a younger son to go into the military, it's more the fact that Gino must have been pretty young when he started since he's only 19 I believe now. And that still doesn't help much with super underage Anya! It's just sort of weird that she is in the military, oh I nearly forgot grade school assassin Rolo XD; I mean seriously, was he brought up by Weiss? By Seishirou? Is he the Britannian Assassin equivalent to poor little Akira? lol He's 16 now, but judging from the newspaper articles Lelouch found he's been doing this a while, Heck, Rolo could even be the one who killed Marianne!

I'm pretty sure Suzaku is an only child. Ignoring the whole Japanese families don't tend to have a lot of kids, you'd think we would have seen some sign of a sibling if there was one in a flashback by now. And you'd think Kayuga would say something about how Suzaku betrayed his little sibling Byakko It's not like our new evil princesses since we've known all along there was a princess #1. I've not been watching the dub, but I think they're just trying to stress Suzaku's importance. But still I want to know when he joined the military and this contact was broke. Personally, I strongly suspect he was shipped off pretty early on.

I'd buy it, but then I buy anything Suzaku :P I think he's just adorable. lol I still want to know about his mom, was she a Sumeragi? or??

[lulu-holic.livejournal.com]

btw in the novel what was the reason suzaku killded his father? i heard that his father was trying to kill both nunnaly and lelouch, is it true? or something else??

[lulu-holic.livejournal.com]

i think milly only knows that lulu and nunnally's mother died in accident not murder, because if she knows that she will notice that zero is lelouch. because zero seems to take revenge over the britannian royal family

[lavaliere]

Whut? Not everyone who's had a family member murdered turns into a rebellion-leading, revenge-seeking egomaniac person. It's assumed that it's common knowledge that Marianne was murdered/assassinated, though the reason behind her death is still unclear.

The Ashfords were supporters of Marianne and in some cases, I heard she was related, and the reason they lost their status as nobility was because Marianne was murdered. Having no one to support in the upper eschelon means having no one to support them. Thus, they lost their place.

Because Millay is considered the heir to the Ashford family, she would be very aware of the background of the Ashford family. She knows Lelouch is a prince, and knows about her family history. Otherwise, she'd be clueless regarding things like the Ganymede.

As far as Millay is concerned, she has no reason to suspect Lelouch to be Zero. It's not common knowledge that Zero's true intention is to find the murderer of his mother and create a peaceful world for Nunnally. Lelouch has kept those ambitions fairly secret.

[lulu-holic.livejournal.com]

for heaven sake (-__-) , why the directer didnt clear this things during the anime(season one)...there are many simple things that are not clear *sob* im tired of thinking and solving the puzzle (-_-)

[recodes.livejournal.com]

Maybe for a simple reason of keeping us in the dark, thus making sure we'd follow the story for revelations?

[recodes.livejournal.com]

With the way Suzaku keeps getting confused and lost whenever he thinks about Lulu, I'd bet he doesn't know. I haven't read the novel, but there's no mention in the manga about Lulu telling Suzaku about it.

But then, Marianne's death should have been recorded in Britannian history, so by right, Suzaku should have learnt about it somewhere on his road to become an Honorary Britannian. I'm not sure, though.

[lb-x.livejournal.com]

Marianne's death should have been recorded in Britannian history

I've always wondered why someone didn't just "google" it (in Geass verse), or find out by accident (like, Nina searching into Euphemia's whole background, finding Lelouch & Nunnalluy are relatives, finding out his mother was murdered) because you would think something like that would be out there :/

[rkold.livejournal.com]

Yes! I keep thinking that myself! And seriously, was Lelouch the most popular boys name in Britannia in 1999/2000 so that no one thinks it is at all odd that there is a boy who looks just like the missing presumed dead Britannian prince Lelouch AND has a sister named Nunnally AND is using Marianne's maiden name ^_^;

[darksage29.livejournal.com]

Well, my take on that is Marianne isn't exactly a very popular empress, since she's just part of, like 6546845154 concubines in Charlie's harem. So her background, childsren, etc would be kept secret, or otherwise unknown (like, do we know the details about the empresses of emperor shihuangdi or sth). So no one would really care get that information. We just know those because Lulu is the main character.

[rkold.livejournal.com]

Actually, your example doesn't work for me at all. ^^;

A better example would be the Mormons in UT with Brigham Young since he also had a gabillion wives and kids and ruled the area and umm yes I think all the Mormons did know who all his wives and kids were at that time. And I'm sure during various rulers reigns with multiple wives/concubines they and their kids were known.

Lelouch is not distantly related to the current emperor, this is not history from 50+ years ago, let alone history of a foreign country. The media is everywhere in Britannia. Heck, Lelouch wasn't even stripped of his position in private, there were tons of people in the audience hall. I just think it's odd no one in the cast has ever thought "Hey, I wonder if Lelouch could be *THE* Lelouch."

[lulu-holic.livejournal.com]

i dont think suzaku reads britannian history books(Oo he is so busy in military works, i mean maybe he reads rule books of military because he follows them one by one, but i think he only knows part of britannian history from school books, remember code geass dvdv magazine I and II?, lelouch only mentioned britannian hertige beriefly.

[rainbow-cnxn.livejournal.com]

Suzaku at least knows about Marianne's death. THIS IS CANON. Suzaku and Nunnally had a conversation in Suzaku's secret base (SE 0.522) about everything that happened, whereupon Suzaku first thought that Lelouch was "amazing". Interestingly enough, it was this pity/understanding/admiration that first kick-started their friendship, where Suzaku first realizes that Lelouch was so humble because of his pride.

As for whether or not Suzaku knew that Lelouch was out to overthrow Britannia, Lelouch does say "I will destroy Britannia" as a kid both in Stage 1 and in PD 23.95. Does Suzaku remember or take him seriously? He at least remembers because 23.95 was from Suzaku's POV, and he goes on to reference that pledge, saying that he "couldn't answer [it]". Did he take it seriously? Who knows, but he certainly does now. =P

[lulu-holic.livejournal.com]

OMG!! u mean stage 0.522 is the one in sound episode? (Oo when did nunnaly said that???? (OO!! i only remember that they were just telling jokes and singing funny songs (Oo

[rainbow-cnxn.livejournal.com]

To quote a little from this (apologies to Celiss/Galvea):

Suzaku: I heard from Nunnally... about you. I thought you were just a nasty little high-and-might Britannian prince, but... your mother... and your siblings, too... and still, you protected your little sister, all by yourself...

[lulu-holic.livejournal.com]

but that doesnt mean that she told their mother's murder

[saft.livejournal.com]

...I'd like to disagree here. Also why the hell did you delete my comment? I was putting actual input into the conversation.

[lulu-holic.livejournal.com]

i heard that anya is also emperor's daughter and gino is related to royal family, maybe a count's son.

[sevoth.livejournal.com]

Gino is an aristocrat, but if I remember correctly, we know pretty much nothing about Anya's past, and the emperor's daughter thing is just a popular theory.

[darksage29.livejournal.com]

Didn't we see in Turn 02/03 of R2 that Suzaku knows about Lulu=Marianne's child because emp charlie geassed him to forget it and suzaku was there?

[lulu-holic.livejournal.com]

but in code geass R2 ep2, Charles only said " i will change your memory of your mother and blah blah balh" but he didnt say " i will change your memory of your mother's murder"... so i thunk suzaku dosnt know (Oo

[lulu-holic.livejournal.com]

but u know what i think this discussion will never end because sunrise publishing and producing a various manga and books for code geass with many various plots. and that is many us confused , we dont know which to believe and which is indicating a hit for the series...,right?