Turn 13: Rolo may be innocent. (With proof!)

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

When I first watched the episode, I thought something was fishy about Shirley's death scene.

At first, I thought they cut it off for the shock, but there was something else fishy about it. Wouldn't it have been MORE shocking if we actually saw Rolo knife her? We saw Euphie getting shot, after all.

And then, while watching, something hit me.

Rolo carries a knife. He uses his knife to usually kill people when he geasses them.

BUT:



That looks like a bullet hole to me.


Well, she did have a gun on her, so it IS possible Rolo used that, but also--




The gun was found IN HER HAND.



And WE SAW NOTHING. We didn't even see Rolo cast his Geass, but here are some interesting facts we DO know:

It appears Shirley was killed by a gun, not a knife.
Her gun was found in her hand.
We did not see what happened to Suzaku after he 'went in'. (Suspicious... >.>)


Now, I suppose it is possible that Rolo did have a gun on him and shot her. I actually don't care either way, I love Rolo and always will. BUT--after years of watching murder mysteries on TV, these little facts seem all too suspicious to me. And I kinda hope this is geass pulling another twist on us, because it would be awesome.

...Thoughts on my theory?



EDIT: Just to clarify:

I DON'T THINK IT WAS SUICIDE. I think that, if it wasn't Rolo, her death was an accident. An accident by the name of--

SUZAKU! *accusing finger here*

Well, we didn't see what happened after he went in, after all. He could have seen Rolo about to knife Shirley up, shot, and accidentally hit Shirley or something.

Meh--I just want it to be that way because it would be twisty and awesome and it would be like twisted revenge for Euphie--which is also awesome.

(Yeah, really, if Rolo did actually kill her, fine, but these little things make it fun to speculate >.>).



EDIT 2: Okay, I know highly unlikely that Suzaku did it. I just thought it was a fun crack theory. >.>

But I still think it's pretty possible Rolo didn't kill her.

Comments

[vaguu.livejournal.com]

i was thinking this as well. it might not have been rollo who killed her but-- well rollo did try to kill lelouch with the gun he had in that one episode~ so yeah, idk.

We did not see what happened to Suzaku after he 'went in'. GASP. omg it was him. B|

[fadedhikari.livejournal.com]

I think you might be right. Wow, you're smart!

[demyx.livejournal.com]

I know I'm the one who agreed when you first pointed it out, but since I should also point out this... It is possible that Rolo put the gun in Shirley's hand. HOWEVER, I do not find it too believable that he left Shirley alive, at least long enough for her to tell Lelouch. This kid kills people for a living, he should know when someone is dead.

If Rolo had enough time to compose himself and put the gun back in Shirley's hand, he would have had enough time to finish her off. Something's not right, either he was interrupted (which means, yeah, he did do it) or ... well.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. T_T I WANT SOME SOLID PROOF HE SHOT HER. *SOBS, I KNOW I'M IN DENIAL, SHUT UP*

[lulu-quality.livejournal.com]

In episode 4, he's shown killing people by freezing their minds, taking their guns, shooting them with them. He probably returns the guns after using them, too. I'm pretty positive Rolo did it out of jealousy. Ah...drama.

[master.livejournal.com]

Half of me kind of hopes there was something else that happened behind the scenes that we didn't see, since the whole death was cut off.

Plus this is Geass. Anything is possible.

Though my guess is we'll find out in a later episode exactly what happened. I'm sure they thought we'd just connect Shirley & Rolo meeting up = Shirley's death since Rolo is extremely possessive yadda yadda yadda. But it could just be a plot twist. Like always.

[kitsune-no-ame.livejournal.com]

She had the gun in her hand from the beginning.

And I think if she'd wanted to kill herself she'd have at least aimed for the head.
At that point nothing indicated she was suicidal. Why would she have done so? To punish/hurt Lelouch? Then I'd have done it in front of his eyes "Look at me, I'm dying because of you and you couldn't prevent it; I'll watch you from hell while you go crazy on remorse" instead of that remote place where Lelouch could have easily overseen her.

Point: Rolo had the better motives.

[cutesherry.livejournal.com]

To be honest, I was also having my doubts about Rolo being the murderer and also thought about the whole 'she got the gun in her hand' blablabla
Also, Rolo is such an overly obvious culprit, knowing how protective he is of his 'brother', that the fact they didn't show the actual murder scene made me suspicious.
But...
...there is one thing that made me strongly believe he really might be 'the one' = the mask falling on the ground right after Rolo activated his Geass. + the locket (I hope we will get to see what is inside).
I think it symbolized that Rolo showed his 'true colors'...and killed a possible danger to Lelouch and himself...or not, he might have 'tolerated' Shirley helping them but the moment Nunnaly came up she was a goner...
Something else: who could have killed her? She didn't suicide, Suzaku is not the one either, and I can't think of any character who would have any interest in murdering her either.
And then, what do you suggest Rolo did after suspending the Time with his Geass: he just walked off on her...?

[gatekeepers-21.livejournal.com]

I thought that too... but I still think Rolo did it because it's possible he shot her with her own gun so that he will still look innocent because he knows Lelouch probably would be upset if Shirley died.

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

I don't think it was suicide. I actually think it was an accident. The point about the gun is; I think if Rolo killed her he would have at least finished her off or taken the gun.

Lelouch didn't know she had a gun, after all. What was the point of leaving it in her hand?

And part of me wants Suzaku to have accidentally killed her...

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

But Lelouch didn't know she had a gun. What would be the point of putting it back in her hand? O_o

[inksmears]

Interesting, but it is possible Rolo stopped time, took her gun, shot her, and then placed the gun back in her hand. So no one would think she'd been murdered, but, rather, had killed herself. To get himself off the hook or something.

I kinda think that's more likely than her having ACTUALLY killed herself, to be honest.

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

While the drama is sweet...I dunno. Rolo doesn't usually leave people alive. And he wouldn't need to leave the gun in her hand because Lelouch didn't know she had a gun.

Since he was also a trained assassin, I don't think it's in his style to leave tracks like that...

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

I don't think she killed herself. I actually think Suzaku accidentally killed her.

It would be like weird-twisted-accidental revenge for Euphie, in a way. Maybe he saw Rolo about to knife her up and shot and accidentally hit her?

[spleener.livejournal.com]

Regardless of the details, I give it a 50/50 chance that Rollo killed her and a 1 in 10 chance that it was solely because he went yandere at the mention of Nunnaly. They're obviously hiding *something* from us here.

[rkold.livejournal.com]

I seriously doubt Suzaku shot Shirley, he has no motive and was the biggest LuluShirley shipper in all of Geass. ^_^;;; Suzaku repeatedly even as the new "White Reaper" repeatedly gives his opponents a chance to surrender. The only way I can see Suzaku doing it is if someone geass'ed him to do so.

I suspect 14 is going to have Suzaku find Lelouch holding dead Shirley and he's going to lose it as well though not in the same way as Lelouch.

While it does seem circumstantial, we did see in those flashbacks/files that Rolo specifically used his geass in the past to freeze people, take their own gun, shoot them and then return the gun to them and leave. ^_^;;

I always expected Rolo to go crazy and try to kill Nunnally, I just didn't expect Shirley to be his first victim.

[starryburst.livejournal.com]

I think he wanted it to seem like a suicide. Because you know, Lelouch wouldn't have sex with him for MONTHS if he knew he pulled that stunt. Kidding. But on a serious note, maybe he just did it on impulse because he was pissed (which would explain why he fled while she was still alive, instead of finishing the job). We all know Rolo isn't very mentally sound, so that's surely a possible option. Oh, and remember the flashbacks of Rolo's past in episode four? Rolo also kills with guns. He took that one from Shirley and shot her.

Personally, I'd be a little disappointed if he didn't do it, but I'm pretty sure he did.

[inksmears]

Oh, maybe. I'm still a tad skeptical, but... You could very well be right.

If Suzaku shot her, though, it'd certainly make things more interesting. o.O

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

Actually, though the geass symbol showed up in Rolo's eye, we didn't see the geass 'net' go up--which also makes me wonder...

Yeah, he looks pretty guilty, but still I think it's a bit too soon to say that he was actually the one to do it. Even if he did do it, there's something here Sunrise isn't telling us...

[rewritten.livejournal.com]

lol fandom.

I'm pretty sure Rolo killed her. No one else was there and no other character would have the reason or motive to kill her at the moment. (There's no way Suzaku would have killed her; he was the one who ordered those soldiers to protect her) We all know Rolo is CRAZY JEALOUS over Lelouch and Rolo knew how close Shirley and Lelouch were and he knew if he let her live and possibly join up with them, that could mean that he'd become useless to Lelouch sooner or later and he'd loose his place. Rolo killing someone is nothing knew. Him killing some silly girl in the way would be no problem for him.

Rolo easily could have geass'd her, shot her and then put the gun in her hand. This is Sunrise here, I doubt it's much more involved than that. And Rolo had a pretty "evil" look in his eyes before the scene change. I think we're trying to pull at straws here now, lol.

[trinities.livejournal.com]

Ah, I'm hesitant to say this solidly, but would Suzaku abandon a good friend like that? Even when he captured Kallen, he didn't hurt her--only left her imprisoned. Even when he captured Lelouch, he didn't hurt him, he just had his memories stripped so he could live a normal life.

Had Suzaku accidentally killed her, I doubt he would have left her sitting there. As I saw someone point it out elsewhere, Suzaku hasn't accidentally killed anyone because of his I MUST LIVE Geass. It seems unlikely that that would change now. Given his nature, he seems more inclined to throw someone down.

Rollo doing it seems more likely given this. And it's possible that he was less cold-blood and more freaking-out-irrationally because of the mention of Nunnally.

[trinities.livejournal.com]

Yeah, you hit the other points that make it weird that it's Suzaku. I'm vaguely bemused that people are even thinking it's Suzaku, given that Rollo is nuts and Suzaku, while nuts, is a very stupidly noble kind of nuts with logic that usually strays from killing, even while under the influence of his geass.

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

True, but if that is so...why didn't he finish the job? He could have shot her and made it look more like a suicide, if that was so. Or, if he must make it obvious it was murder, take the damn gun?

It just seems really weird that he left her alive. Sure, it was great for the ANGST factor, but still...Seems odd.

[animenutcase.livejournal.com]

I did find it a bit strange. People insist that Rolo killed her, but we don't actually SEE him stab her, so you never know.

[rainbow-cnxn.livejournal.com]

I still think it was Rolo that killed her. If he didn't intend to kill her, he wouldn't have needed to activate his geass. But he did, so if it wasn't him, he needed another reason to do so. Suzaku could have walked in on them, BUT if you watch the scene again, Rolo's back was facing the entrance to the room they were in. He couldn't have seen Suzaku, and I'm sure Shirley would have noticed him first.

Furthermore, Suzaku would have had no concrete reason to suspect them of wrongdoing if he did walk in upon them. Shirley was in the vicinity, and Rolo is supposed to be a special agent watching over Lelouch. The two of them there makes sense.

Plus, the imagery with the locket. Jealous shota is jealous.

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it's true it looks like it was Rolo, and it probably was. But I still say there's something odd about it all, even for yandere Rolo jealous of Nunnally and all.

Knowing this show, it is possible they're not telling us something.