Turn 13: Rolo may be innocent. (With proof!)

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

When I first watched the episode, I thought something was fishy about Shirley's death scene.

At first, I thought they cut it off for the shock, but there was something else fishy about it. Wouldn't it have been MORE shocking if we actually saw Rolo knife her? We saw Euphie getting shot, after all.

And then, while watching, something hit me.

Rolo carries a knife. He uses his knife to usually kill people when he geasses them.

BUT:



That looks like a bullet hole to me.


Well, she did have a gun on her, so it IS possible Rolo used that, but also--




The gun was found IN HER HAND.



And WE SAW NOTHING. We didn't even see Rolo cast his Geass, but here are some interesting facts we DO know:

It appears Shirley was killed by a gun, not a knife.
Her gun was found in her hand.
We did not see what happened to Suzaku after he 'went in'. (Suspicious... >.>)


Now, I suppose it is possible that Rolo did have a gun on him and shot her. I actually don't care either way, I love Rolo and always will. BUT--after years of watching murder mysteries on TV, these little facts seem all too suspicious to me. And I kinda hope this is geass pulling another twist on us, because it would be awesome.

...Thoughts on my theory?



EDIT: Just to clarify:

I DON'T THINK IT WAS SUICIDE. I think that, if it wasn't Rolo, her death was an accident. An accident by the name of--

SUZAKU! *accusing finger here*

Well, we didn't see what happened after he went in, after all. He could have seen Rolo about to knife Shirley up, shot, and accidentally hit Shirley or something.

Meh--I just want it to be that way because it would be twisty and awesome and it would be like twisted revenge for Euphie--which is also awesome.

(Yeah, really, if Rolo did actually kill her, fine, but these little things make it fun to speculate >.>).



EDIT 2: Okay, I know highly unlikely that Suzaku did it. I just thought it was a fun crack theory. >.>

But I still think it's pretty possible Rolo didn't kill her.

Comments

[vaguu.livejournal.com]

i was thinking this as well. it might not have been rollo who killed her but-- well rollo did try to kill lelouch with the gun he had in that one episode~ so yeah, idk.

We did not see what happened to Suzaku after he 'went in'. GASP. omg it was him. B|

[fadedhikari.livejournal.com]

I think you might be right. Wow, you're smart!

[demyx.livejournal.com]

I know I'm the one who agreed when you first pointed it out, but since I should also point out this... It is possible that Rolo put the gun in Shirley's hand. HOWEVER, I do not find it too believable that he left Shirley alive, at least long enough for her to tell Lelouch. This kid kills people for a living, he should know when someone is dead.

If Rolo had enough time to compose himself and put the gun back in Shirley's hand, he would have had enough time to finish her off. Something's not right, either he was interrupted (which means, yeah, he did do it) or ... well.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. T_T I WANT SOME SOLID PROOF HE SHOT HER. *SOBS, I KNOW I'M IN DENIAL, SHUT UP*

[tomoyohime8.livejournal.com]

there's also the possibility that he finally cracked, thus not being as thorough as he would have been when sane.

*runs away*
*is shot in the back*



*and then shot again for good measure*

[lulu-quality.livejournal.com]

In episode 4, he's shown killing people by freezing their minds, taking their guns, shooting them with them. He probably returns the guns after using them, too. I'm pretty positive Rolo did it out of jealousy. Ah...drama.

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

While the drama is sweet...I dunno. Rolo doesn't usually leave people alive. And he wouldn't need to leave the gun in her hand because Lelouch didn't know she had a gun.

Since he was also a trained assassin, I don't think it's in his style to leave tracks like that...

[master.livejournal.com]

Half of me kind of hopes there was something else that happened behind the scenes that we didn't see, since the whole death was cut off.

Plus this is Geass. Anything is possible.

Though my guess is we'll find out in a later episode exactly what happened. I'm sure they thought we'd just connect Shirley & Rolo meeting up = Shirley's death since Rolo is extremely possessive yadda yadda yadda. But it could just be a plot twist. Like always.

[sapphirus.livejournal.com]

It'd be interesting if something DID happen behind the scenes, but whether we'd learn about it in Turn 14 or a later turn is really up to Bandai.

:| Bandai, give us Turn 14 alreadyyyyyyyy!

[kitsune-no-ame.livejournal.com]

She had the gun in her hand from the beginning.

And I think if she'd wanted to kill herself she'd have at least aimed for the head.
At that point nothing indicated she was suicidal. Why would she have done so? To punish/hurt Lelouch? Then I'd have done it in front of his eyes "Look at me, I'm dying because of you and you couldn't prevent it; I'll watch you from hell while you go crazy on remorse" instead of that remote place where Lelouch could have easily overseen her.

Point: Rolo had the better motives.

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

I don't think it was suicide. I actually think it was an accident. The point about the gun is; I think if Rolo killed her he would have at least finished her off or taken the gun.

Lelouch didn't know she had a gun, after all. What was the point of leaving it in her hand?

And part of me wants Suzaku to have accidentally killed her...

[cutesherry.livejournal.com]

To be honest, I was also having my doubts about Rolo being the murderer and also thought about the whole 'she got the gun in her hand' blablabla
Also, Rolo is such an overly obvious culprit, knowing how protective he is of his 'brother', that the fact they didn't show the actual murder scene made me suspicious.
But...
...there is one thing that made me strongly believe he really might be 'the one' = the mask falling on the ground right after Rolo activated his Geass. + the locket (I hope we will get to see what is inside).
I think it symbolized that Rolo showed his 'true colors'...and killed a possible danger to Lelouch and himself...or not, he might have 'tolerated' Shirley helping them but the moment Nunnaly came up she was a goner...
Something else: who could have killed her? She didn't suicide, Suzaku is not the one either, and I can't think of any character who would have any interest in murdering her either.
And then, what do you suggest Rolo did after suspending the Time with his Geass: he just walked off on her...?

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

Actually, though the geass symbol showed up in Rolo's eye, we didn't see the geass 'net' go up--which also makes me wonder...

Yeah, he looks pretty guilty, but still I think it's a bit too soon to say that he was actually the one to do it. Even if he did do it, there's something here Sunrise isn't telling us...

[gatekeepers-21.livejournal.com]

I thought that too... but I still think Rolo did it because it's possible he shot her with her own gun so that he will still look innocent because he knows Lelouch probably would be upset if Shirley died.

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

But Lelouch didn't know she had a gun. What would be the point of putting it back in her hand? O_o

[inksmears]

Interesting, but it is possible Rolo stopped time, took her gun, shot her, and then placed the gun back in her hand. So no one would think she'd been murdered, but, rather, had killed herself. To get himself off the hook or something.

I kinda think that's more likely than her having ACTUALLY killed herself, to be honest.

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

I don't think she killed herself. I actually think Suzaku accidentally killed her.

It would be like weird-twisted-accidental revenge for Euphie, in a way. Maybe he saw Rolo about to knife her up and shot and accidentally hit her?

[spleener.livejournal.com]

Regardless of the details, I give it a 50/50 chance that Rollo killed her and a 1 in 10 chance that it was solely because he went yandere at the mention of Nunnaly. They're obviously hiding *something* from us here.

[rkold.livejournal.com]

I seriously doubt Suzaku shot Shirley, he has no motive and was the biggest LuluShirley shipper in all of Geass. ^_^;;; Suzaku repeatedly even as the new "White Reaper" repeatedly gives his opponents a chance to surrender. The only way I can see Suzaku doing it is if someone geass'ed him to do so.

I suspect 14 is going to have Suzaku find Lelouch holding dead Shirley and he's going to lose it as well though not in the same way as Lelouch.

While it does seem circumstantial, we did see in those flashbacks/files that Rolo specifically used his geass in the past to freeze people, take their own gun, shoot them and then return the gun to them and leave. ^_^;;

I always expected Rolo to go crazy and try to kill Nunnally, I just didn't expect Shirley to be his first victim.

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

True, but if that is so...why didn't he finish the job? He could have shot her and made it look more like a suicide, if that was so. Or, if he must make it obvious it was murder, take the damn gun?

It just seems really weird that he left her alive. Sure, it was great for the ANGST factor, but still...Seems odd.

[starryburst.livejournal.com]

I think he wanted it to seem like a suicide. Because you know, Lelouch wouldn't have sex with him for MONTHS if he knew he pulled that stunt. Kidding. But on a serious note, maybe he just did it on impulse because he was pissed (which would explain why he fled while she was still alive, instead of finishing the job). We all know Rolo isn't very mentally sound, so that's surely a possible option. Oh, and remember the flashbacks of Rolo's past in episode four? Rolo also kills with guns. He took that one from Shirley and shot her.

Personally, I'd be a little disappointed if he didn't do it, but I'm pretty sure he did.

[rewritten.livejournal.com]

lol fandom.

I'm pretty sure Rolo killed her. No one else was there and no other character would have the reason or motive to kill her at the moment. (There's no way Suzaku would have killed her; he was the one who ordered those soldiers to protect her) We all know Rolo is CRAZY JEALOUS over Lelouch and Rolo knew how close Shirley and Lelouch were and he knew if he let her live and possibly join up with them, that could mean that he'd become useless to Lelouch sooner or later and he'd loose his place. Rolo killing someone is nothing knew. Him killing some silly girl in the way would be no problem for him.

Rolo easily could have geass'd her, shot her and then put the gun in her hand. This is Sunrise here, I doubt it's much more involved than that. And Rolo had a pretty "evil" look in his eyes before the scene change. I think we're trying to pull at straws here now, lol.

[trinities.livejournal.com]

Yeah, you hit the other points that make it weird that it's Suzaku. I'm vaguely bemused that people are even thinking it's Suzaku, given that Rollo is nuts and Suzaku, while nuts, is a very stupidly noble kind of nuts with logic that usually strays from killing, even while under the influence of his geass.

[trinities.livejournal.com]

Ah, I'm hesitant to say this solidly, but would Suzaku abandon a good friend like that? Even when he captured Kallen, he didn't hurt her--only left her imprisoned. Even when he captured Lelouch, he didn't hurt him, he just had his memories stripped so he could live a normal life.

Had Suzaku accidentally killed her, I doubt he would have left her sitting there. As I saw someone point it out elsewhere, Suzaku hasn't accidentally killed anyone because of his I MUST LIVE Geass. It seems unlikely that that would change now. Given his nature, he seems more inclined to throw someone down.

Rollo doing it seems more likely given this. And it's possible that he was less cold-blood and more freaking-out-irrationally because of the mention of Nunnally.

[animenutcase.livejournal.com]

I did find it a bit strange. People insist that Rolo killed her, but we don't actually SEE him stab her, so you never know.

[rainbow-cnxn.livejournal.com]

I still think it was Rolo that killed her. If he didn't intend to kill her, he wouldn't have needed to activate his geass. But he did, so if it wasn't him, he needed another reason to do so. Suzaku could have walked in on them, BUT if you watch the scene again, Rolo's back was facing the entrance to the room they were in. He couldn't have seen Suzaku, and I'm sure Shirley would have noticed him first.

Furthermore, Suzaku would have had no concrete reason to suspect them of wrongdoing if he did walk in upon them. Shirley was in the vicinity, and Rolo is supposed to be a special agent watching over Lelouch. The two of them there makes sense.

Plus, the imagery with the locket. Jealous shota is jealous.

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

Meh, I know it's highly unlikely, but I just want him to flip out and go ore! again...and come on, twisted accidental revenge for Euphie would have been awesome. :D

[arhel.livejournal.com]

Why would Lelouch be haring off after the cult if it was Suzaku? If Rolo were innocent, he would at least have seen the killer, being a trained assassin and all. What is his motivation to blame it on the cult if Suzaku killed Shirley?

While I think there's more to this than just Rolo shooting her in a fit of jealousy, Suzaku has no motivation to shoot her and is too good of a soldier to do it by accident. Let's try finding some actual evidence before pointing fingers, hmm?

[xosakura-chanox.livejournal.com]

i really agree with you now that i look at it carefully (i was in shock the first time i watched the scene...). i do belive it is a bullet wound since a knife wound would have looked bigger. i doubt that rolo killed her btw they are good friends right? (correct me if i'm wrong) but if suzaku would have killed by accident i belive he would've carried shirly outside to yell out for help to save her. as for rolo he porbually runned away when he saw suzaku so theat suzaku wont suspect anything strange with rolo even being there.... that probually sounded confusing, but another thing i just thought of shirly died was well she was seeing weird things right and she was going a little crazy and she probually went to the point that she couldn't handle it and shot herself, but i doubt it. another thought, maybe she asked to be killed. but ya thats what i think.


oooooo i'm too nervous to see the next ep, with lelouch's shock seeing shirly die and all!!!

[recodes.livejournal.com]

Alas, I would really love it if Rolo happens to not be the murderer here.

And it would be nice if it had been Suzaku :P

But since we were already spoiled earlier that "Shirley lost her life to Geass", I doubt that's the case here.

Rolo could have stopped time, grabbed her hand where she had the gun, and move her fingers to pull the trigger, so the gun stays in her hand.

And Suzaku doesn't look remorseful in the slightest in the preview :(

*sigh*

[haine-asakura.livejournal.com]

Crack theory is still a theory. But, no.
Rollo killer her u_u
He's very unestable when it comes to subjects like family and stuff. And hearing about Nunna, the real sister, from other person who is not Lelouch,and wanted to give her back to him... well...

Please, let the girl rest in paece u_u

Nunna is next D=

[saverellawish.livejournal.com]

I'm very happy about this theory, honestly I am. It definitely didn't look like a knife wound. It was a nice, clean hole, so it makes sense it would be a gun instead.

Problem is... I still think Rollo did it. Sure it would be great if it was someone else, cause I was shocked and horrified when I see Rollo there then Shirley dies. As much as I didn't like Shirley, I certainly didn't hate her either, not enough to like that she died (even if it finally kick started the plot).

The thing is, no matter how much you rationalize it to be another way, all facts point to Rollo. And as for it not being his style to take someone's gun, shoot them with it, then replace it in their hand. Hes an ASSASSIN. Someone trained to kill people in many forms, as long as they died. Someone who was given missions and mostly likely told to accomplish them by ANY means. I seriously doubt he has a style of doing anything as long as the mission was completed. Plus I think he got jealous when Shirley mentioned Nunnally :/

Rollo is Lulu's fake brother. I seriously doubt he wants to hear about Nunnally from anyone, specially about bringing back her happiness. Since that could be taken as bringing her back to her brother, pretty much making Rollo useless.

Also, as for your Suzaku accidentally killing her theory. Hes says in the sub that he'll take command of the police and fire fighters from here. I took this as meaning outside the building, and there really wasn't much of reason for him to go in. The police never confirmed it was terrorists, civilians just freak out the moment smoke bombs go off and gun shots are heard. Plus we never did see him go into the building.

As much as I hate to say it, it seriously looks like Rollo is the one who did it :/ As nice and dramatic, and twisty it would be if someone else did it, all factors point to Rollo.

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

That's true. I didn't really do this out of "OMGNOITCAN'TBEROLO!" but more out of "This looks weird, could it be Geass is screwing with us again?"

All signs point to Rolo, yes, and it probably was him, I admit. I LIKE him as an angry jealous shota.

BUT--I also like big twists and revealing it wasn't Rolo would be cool in that twisty way.

I'm kinda torn between wanting it to be Rolo and not wanting it to be Rolo, honest. If it was Suzaku, that would have been awesome, too. Just for the MOAR ANGST factor.

I dunno. Geass will be geass nonetheless, I suppose.

[powercorrupts.livejournal.com]

There's really just two problems I have with the idea. The first is that, although I suspect they'll show us later how she actually did die, I doubt that they'd go for something that close to the style of Euphie's death.

In the same way that Lelouch isn't really (but feels he is) vindicated for his vengeance complex by his mother's death, Suzaku isn't really (but also feels he is) vindicated in his vengeance complex because of Euphie's death. From a writing standpoint, it would just smack of bad writing to me, because really, Lelouch doesn't need another reason to hate Suzaku. If he was responsible for Shirley's death, that would pretty much fuck up the fan perception of their feud, I think.

I guess if Sunrise really feels like going there, they will, but it just seems like it would be a bad idea, precisely because they've been trying to balance Lelouch and Suzaku on a thin line between being sympathetic and being despicable. And given how much trouble they've been having with that, judging by fan outputs, I don't think they'd just toss what little love the fans have for Suzaku out the window that thoroughly.

I also just don't think it would really work well with where the show is going. I've been waiting for them to find some way to isolate and vilify Rolo again, and this really seems like it. I mean, I don't think there can be any doubt that Rolo and Lelouch are going to end up as enemies once more, and they need a good way to do that. This? Would be a really good way.

I'm sure there's something they didn't show us, because when you see something like that left so ambiguous, it's often a sign that there's something left unrevealed yet. I suspect at least something significant was said, if nothing else. However... I'm just personally hoping that the theory is wrong. If only just because I think it would really ruin a chance to get Rolo back on track, and it would pretty much screw up Suzaku's character.

[recklessflames.livejournal.com]

hmm as much as i would like to agree, I think rollos did it 100%. When Shirley and Him was in the room talking, after she said, "I want to protect Lulu, and Join you." His expression changed, thus after that, that expression looked like he was saying. "No, That is My Job, you are trying to take my place?" ( almost confused ) then after that, Shirley added the icing to the cake by saying, " I want to bring back his happiness...and his little sister Nunnas too." Ok, From previous episodes, we know that Rollo can be a bit...physco; at that moment, something from his mind turned off or on, and on impulse, and rage, knowing that Lulu is HIS brother and no one elses. This self absorbed, feeling, this overwhelming emotion over-took Rollo. Almost as if he would say, "Who the Hell is Nunnally? I AM Lulus ONLY BROTHER. he is mine and no one else's." blah blah blah (lol) But yea, that preety much did it in for him.

Which would symbolize the mask falling and his true identity being revealed(?) Notice the change in his eyes,(he is pissed) and the mask fell, thus him killing Shirley. By taking her gun, shooting her, and putting it right back in her hand. Notice when she was talking to Rollo she let go of the trigger as well. Dont think its really anything more, but if it was well that would be a complete shock.

[bellumina.livejournal.com]

I love Rolo, but he definitely was the killer. So, yeah, amen to this.

[madhatterpan.livejournal.com]

Could you maybe use a less spoiler-y title for your post? I'm sorry if I'm coming across as irked, but it's frustrating to come across a spoiler when I haven't seen the episode because the subs I prefer aren't out yet.

[kirbycat89.livejournal.com]

Honestly, as much as I love Rollo, there is at least a 99% chance that he did do this. I don't know where the Suzaku theories came from since, even though I dislike him, I think he along with Lulu are the least likely to have done it.

Also judging by Rollo's actions and responses to Shirley's questions, I think he indeed more than likely freaked and shot Shirley because when situations like that arise, it's only natural for him to respond like that after many years of living as an assasin who kills for sometimes no reason. That and he didn't seem quite pleased with Shirley in the last episode all that much~ Jealousy anybody?

I also highly doubt that it's suicide.

So yeah, my other crack theories that would make up the 1% are it was Sayoko because we have no idea what happened to her after Rollo left her on the helicopter and we all know she was jealous when Shirley went for Lelouch instead of her... XD either that or she was afriad for dear Lelouch and when she over heard Rollo's and Shirely's conversation, she figured she knew too much about Lelouch and decided to kill her :P

Another would have to be based on Shirley's dream itself >:D
Villetta. Shirley felt guilty all this time, so when Villeta shot her, she didn't mention it to Lelouch and her dream was actually a premonition and you knw what case solved! Even though Villetta has her Alibi of talking to Ougi, we all know it was her! XD

I don't care if Rollo did it or not. I still love her crazy character to bits and just hope he doesn't die in the series D: