HMMMMMM....I wonder....

[wqwz.livejournal.com]

I dont know if anyone mentioned this before...but I just suddenly realized something in Turn 1 that doesnt make much sense. 

Okay, so Lulu got his memories erased...but it seems everyone in the student council still remembers Kallen. Then why didnt lulu know who the bunny girl is in Turn 1??? He still acts like he knows Kallen @ school after he got his memories back.... 

Is this another bug like the C.C.'s kiss one?

Comments

[sevthebat.livejournal.com]

I'm thinking it was because Lelouch knew Kallen from the battle at Shinjuku before he ran into her properly at Ashford, and therefore it was easier to erase her completely from his memory, whereas the student council only found out about her role in the Order of the Black Knights when the academy was being laid siege to at the end of S1. Before the first episode of S1, Lelouch didn't really know anything about Kallen, and therefore didn't recognize her in Turn 1 of R2.

Still, it's a bit of an inconsistency, since the Emperor could easily have implanted false memories of Kallen as nothing more than a student in Lelouch's mind. :/

[wqwz.livejournal.com]

"Before the first episode of S1, Lelouch didn't really know anything about Kallen, and therefore didn't recognize her in Turn 1 of R2."
But they were still in the same class too...right?

so everything related to Zero is erased....but how about the part of him being a prince? I wonder how Rolo's role fits in that.....

[jczala.livejournal.com]

The Emperor rearranged Lelouch's memories and erased the part where he is Zero. Therefore, anything or anyone related to Zero is erased.

[spleener.livejournal.com]

Shirley seemed to treat Kallen being in the knights as new information too once she got de-geassed, which makes no sense either because the whole council obviously remembers that they found out she was one of them during the Black Rebellion.

It's best to write both off as LOL SUNRISE, or if you want to think about it more a 'bug' in the way Charlie's Geass works. Lelouch not recognizing her in a bunny suit as Kallen but still remembering Kallen as being someone who was in the student council but then left after being outed as a member of the Black Knights could have been simply because he has more memories of her as a member of the Black Knights than as a fellow council member, so when he was wiped of his memories of being Zero it messed with his memories of her such that he remembered her but did not recognize her- an inconsistency born of the fact that 60-80% of his memories of her were suppressed. If Kallen were to have said upon meeting him 'hey, it's me, Kallen from Ashford, remember?' he might have gone 'wait, why the fuck didn't I recognize you?' and some messy things might have ensued, especially since Rolo was present.

(whoa that last line sounds kinda suggestive)

[wqwz.livejournal.com]

WOW...I never thought of that bf...

yeah that kinda makes sense.....thanx for ur reply!!

[x-reggg.livejournal.com]

i think you should put this under a cut.

even if it's the first episode, it's still the first episode of the second season and so it's possible to spoil people who watch dubs/just started the series.

[wqwz.livejournal.com]

OKAY~!

(^-^)

[lulu-holic.livejournal.com]

the emperor just sealed his memory of being zero and what is related to it, including his dear sister nunnally, being prince and knowing kallen.

so actually he didnt know her in the ep1 R2, he just recognized her as an 11. maybe during the 1 year which he spend with fake memory, he came upon kallen's name but he just recognize it as some missing school student's name and he didnt care much about it

[rainbowmancer.livejournal.com]

Wait...what are you talking about c.c.'s kiss one? what happened that was inconsistant?

[wqwz.livejournal.com]

well...because C.C.'s kiss in S1 was supposed to be a "memory card" that saves Lulu's memories....but then that shouldnt include lulu's memories of the stuff happened in the cave and being geassed by the emperor...so it just doesnt make sense when C.C. kissed him again in R2 and he got all of his memories back.....>__>

[spleener.livejournal.com]

It's never said that the kiss in R1-25 was what 'stored' Lulu's memories, I dunno where you got that from. It was his contact with CC in that episode that broke the seal on Lulu's locked memories, the kiss was just how she chose to make that contact because she's tsundere for him. I suppose she could do the same for the other council members if she wanted.

[rainbowmancer.livejournal.com]

yeeeeah...that seems really farfetched, wquwz. I think you read too far into the kiss thing, since it was never made clear that's what it was for. Why would she feel she needed to do that in fhe first place? She didn't know he'd be captured.

[wqwz.livejournal.com]

huh? is it really just a way to break the seal? where did you get that from?
If I remember correctly I read that C.C.'s kiss has a special meaning and it is used to store his memories on a forum and it is claimed to be official.
C.C. did that because she was worried (I think she said something like "But I'm still worried" in Stage 25) so she kissed him just in case. or else why would she kiss him in stage 25? she just needs to kiss him in turn 1 to break the seal....

[wqwz.livejournal.com]

"I suppose she could do the same for the other council members if she wanted."
wait..... do you imply that C.C.'s kiss can cancel geass?

[spleener.livejournal.com]

Maybe Charles' specifically due to its nature, maybe she could only cancel the one on Lulu because she had a contract with him. I'm sure it's not a full-on Geass canceler like Orange has.

[gacktsuki.livejournal.com]

I suppose Lulu didn't recognize Kallen in Turn 1 because of the way she dressed. Remember how no one in the student council knew it was Kallen until she took off her mask. Another example is when CC went to the school festival with just a bag on her head without anyone noticing her.

[glorfindel.livejournal.com]

Or how Suzaku can wear sunglasses and suddenly become unrecognisable. D:

[wqwz.livejournal.com]

lol.....

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

You know how the heck did the emperor alter the Student Council's memories anyway? Like does Charles have to to have eye contact or physical contact to use Geass on them? If so then he would have to be like "random people from Ashford Academy I invite you to dine with the Emperor." or something o.o

[glenngunnerzero.livejournal.com]

Who wouldn't look at emperor Wakamoto? Remember his first speech in Season 1, Everybody I mean everybody was looking at him. Kinda hard not to see him. Besides first thing most people focus on is the eyes.

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

I suppose but it's never explained how he made eye contact with the student council members. He could've what, researched Lelouch or looked into his memories (can he do that?) and then made another speech and then singled them out and made eye contact with them, but I suppose it's just a bit of a plot hole that won't ever be filled.

[marioshinobi.livejournal.com]

He also wiped the memory of Marianne, which makes me wonder what Lelouch had in his mind before? ( Lots of his childhood would have been wiped in thats the case to forget the terrorist attack, shouting at his dad, why he even had a maid around the house )

Did he think that he was raised by Charles maybe? O.o

There's alot of Holes that would make Lelouch go 'wtf' at. What'd he imagine as to where he was during all the Zero Incidents then? At home or school studying?

[wqwz.livejournal.com]

AHHH...We really need a SE to explain all these.....>