Turn 14: questions, thoughts and discussion

[strawberrypenis.livejournal.com]

first time posting here so nice to meet y'all? just finished watching it and have tons to say & ask. I need feedback on my thoughts, plus if this was posted before sorry.



1. Looking back at the memories in the beginning C.C knew Marianne, so does that mean in episode 1 when she said she found him probably means she was looking for Lulu to grant him geass?

2. I am disappointed in Suzaku for using refrain on Kallen, even he doesn't know how her mother was using it. I liked Suzaku but he seems to be very desperate in destroying zero, its like Shirley said he doesn't want to forgive Lulu, right? either way I really hope he is just scaring her because that would be sad if he did actually drug her.

3. I don't understand but is Villetta saying that she too will be joining Lulu has Jeremiah did? and something about Ohgi?

4. Did V.V hate Marianne? he seems do have disliked her as he says to Jeremiah "Even you...Shall utter that name?" well to me it just seems V.V persuaded Charles to do many things, like at the beginning trying to show Charles his insight of the world. He then says that if he wins the battle this will be a victory for him and Charles but later Charles seems angry that V.V has sent an assassin after his son, then after some other words he says he has lied to him again? idk this is just my speculations.

5. Redemption? is that what I read? umm Charles is forgiving Lulu? I can't help but to think if he'll tell him what really happened, if it was an order he gave to kill Marianne or not. I wonder what made Charles forgive Lulu?

Well another thought I have is that V.V ordered an assassination of Marianne and lied to Charles about it hence the "lied to again" and C.C helping Lulu out because she too knows the truth about what really happened? that's why V.V is after her? idk anymore...this is all speculations.

Comments

[nativegirl.livejournal.com]

Spoiler cut, please and thank you! ^^

[breepants.livejournal.com]

I think V.V. hated Marianne for the the fact that Marianne got between the relationship of Charles and V.V.

Suzaku has become a douche. Who knows what he will do.

CC is somehow tied to Lelouch despite the geass. She knew his mother, so it's very likely that CC was looking just for Lelouch It isn't unlikely to say that she may have known him when he was younger, and he may not remember it. There are a lot of unanswered questions, and a lot more musings.

[strawberrypenis.livejournal.com]

I think so too. I think V.V. is jealous of Charles and Marianne's relationship like how Rolo was with Shirley? I also agree with Lulu knowing C.C before when he was young because infact I think it was so because she was watching over him back in episode 1.

[gatekeepers-21.livejournal.com]

1. If you remember from Code Geass S1 first scene with Suzaku and Lelouch, you see CC stalking Lelouch in the sunflowers. So erm, She probably could mean she found him again.

[strawberrypenis.livejournal.com]

yeah I think thats too. I also mean she knew Lulu even before Marianne's death.

[klingon-jedi.livejournal.com]

I see I'm not alone in the idea that VV might have been behind Marianne's death. He seems very touchy about her. It also appears that maybe Charles isn't as bad as he was made out to be. The part about the lie was most interesting. Could VV have lied about Marianne to him? Are we thinking too narrowly?

[jczala.livejournal.com]

I never thought of the Emperor being bad. The first time I've seen his character and the way he treats his children were rather common in an emperor. He's like a Lion who would throw his cub away in order to force it to be stronger. I always had the feeling that the Emperor is testing his children, and (in my opinion) he is rather favorable of Lelouch being the rightful heir to the throne. But since Lelouch is the son of a commoner (Marianne), he seems to have no shot to the throne.

I think Charles really loved Marianne, and V.V. is just pulling the strings on him. I don't know whether to believe if V.V. was the one who killed Marianne or Schneizel.

[strawberrypenis.livejournal.com]

No I don't think we're thinkinh too narrowly. There are a lot of hints that prove our theory correct but you never know when a change of events can lead to something else but I agree with everything you've said. I believe Charles did really love Marianne because of all the high status women he chose a commoner, somehow V.V made Charles believe something wrong.

[spleener.livejournal.com]

Well, to an extent this season they've been trying to make Suzaku less of a lawful good type overall while Lulu becomes less evil. But the drugging is also to have a parallel between them, they both go batshit in different ways over Shirley's death.

Honestly, I think the main reason why Suzaku can't let his hatred of Zero go is because he *needs* it to be able to bring himself to fight his best friend, just like how he denied who he was to himself through season 1 despite having every puzzle piece needed to figure it out. I think Nina is similar in this respect with her obsession with Euphie, maybe she feels like if she lets it go she'll go back to being who she was at Ashford.

And yeah, VV is most likely to Charles what Rolo is to Lulu, though VV isn't mentally unstable like Rolo, obviously.

From the first scene I think that what's going on is that Charles became emperor and realized that he couldn't fix the world/his country from where he was, even though it was the most powerful position in the world. So he decided to make someone who could do it from the outside, picking the most gifted of his children for the job- Lelouch. Marianne's death may or may not have been part of the plan, if it wasn't then VV did it because he was jealous. But still, everything past that at least was so that Lelouch would eventually bring down the empire from the outside, which Charles saw to be the only way to fix it. VV most likely isn't a big fan of this plan (hence him sending an assassin to Lulu against Charles' will.) The whole Destroying The Gods thing is probably to pave the way for Lulu.

Actually, thinking about it, that's wrong, it's probably a backup plan, since according to Bartley it's going to destroy the world, perhaps Charlie was initially going to just do his Destroy The Gods plan that would fix the world by destroying it, but then set his plan with Lulu in to motion to see if Lelouch, the son of his favorite wife, could fix the world without destroying it all. But VV just wants to raze the whole fucking thing to the ground and be done with it. Or something like that.


And I'm not sure what exactly is going to happen with Viletta, I presume that Lulu set up the call between her and Ougi to get her over to him, since Lulu planned on pulling out his entire Ashford operation since I suppose he planned on revealing himself to VV even before Shirley's death altered his plans. Just like he banked on the hunch that Rolo actually started to care about him back in episode 4, he's banking on the (correct) hunch that Viletta still has feelings for Ougi.

[strawberrypenis.livejournal.com]

I think this is a good insight. You're probably right about Charles and V.V because he was emperor and couldn't fix the world he was in, that's probably why he calls Charles naive. I don't know about the whole Viletta and Ohgi thing though because, he wouldn't be accepted in Britannia, right?

[neko-astrid.livejournal.com]

Ok, I'm a lttle dazed aftr this episode... Rolo is an obssessed little bastard though.. I kinda feel sad that Lulu is really trying to kill him but then again the brat needs to go. V.V got his ass handed to him XD.

I wasen't to sure on how to feel when Lulu first attacked the geass facility, cause he was killing all those children but then the little brats had to get all murderous and in the end I was like FUCK IT! >.<

Cornillia is badass as always, she looks so much better in this season, the big hair look is gone!. so in closing... BITCH SUZAKU HAS REACHED NEW LEVELS OF BASTARDNESS! he coulden't be more wrong about the way shirley died, Lulu had a fit when she died, if he was going to kill her he could have done it way before now. Suzaku is just looking for a reason to go after him now.

oh and what the hell just happend with charles! MIND WARP for real.. but then again the knightmare is there too... somethin bad is about to happen....

[strawberrypenis.livejournal.com]

Yes Rolo is obssessed. I have to say the way he just makes me not like him much just like Nina. Cornillia does look much prettier. Suzaku is becoming an asshole, I really liked him in season 1 because of how he was going about everything but he is just so unstable, he is most likely to become the villian?

[konataizumi-san.livejournal.com]

If you ask me, I think Viletta will tell Ougi everything and then they will both betray Lelouch, or Ougi will leave the Black Knights. I don't see him staying in the picture for too much longer.

I think the next episode will reveal MUCH that was shadowed in the first season. Perhaps we will find out the true conditions for C.C. and Lelouch's contract. I'm dying to know! >.

[strawberrypenis.livejournal.com]

Yes! I want to know the contract! what is her greatest wish? I hope they reveal it in this season. There is likely to be a 3rd season right?

[konataizumi-san.livejournal.com]

I'd put money on a 3rd season happening. That would suck though if they ended it on a major cliff hanger like season 1. T.T

[gacktsuki.livejournal.com]

nope. there's news that R2 will end the series once and for all.