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[spleener.livejournal.com]

So Xing Ke and Kaguya are obviously calling bullshit on last episode's shenanigans- well, it's possible that they haven't been told the real story, but somehow I doubt it given their positions in the organization. While I expected this from Xing Ke, I must say, Kaguya's surprisingly smart under her usual LOL ZERO IS MAI HASBANDO ^_^ exterior. Then again it's possible that her ZERO IS MAI HASBANDO LOL attitude is what let her realize that maybe they were being hasty in passing judgement on him, since most everyone else already didn't really trust him.

On a related note, did anybody else notice that between him talking about how they should make up a story about Zero being dead and the scene later where he talks about Ougi not being right for his role Diethard got his face roughed up a bit? I suppose this is going to be like Cecile's dress in episode 8, another random thing that we're not going to find the story behind until the picture/audio dramas get there.


So did anybody else go "WELL IF YOU HAD COME TO THIS CONCLUSION ABOUT 40 FUCKING EPISODES AGO IT WOULD'VE SAVED EVERYONE A LOT OF TROUBLE" at this line?

In all honesty, though, I do like his "while preaching on about methods over results, what I really valued were ideals and aesthetics" line, he does have a point in that all this time he was failing to realize that there's a difference between what feels like the right thing to do and what actually is the right thing to do. Not to say that what he's doing right now is the right thing to do, he's obviously completely fucking snapped, which is most likely JUST AS PLANNED for Schniezel.

And Marianne's personality is about what I expected given previous information. I'm wondering if her lack of concern for her son is an 'I have confidence my son can pull his own ass out of the fire' thing or a 'screw that kid, I just care about my keikaku' thing, though. I suspect the latter (unless of course her aforementioned keikaku also involves helping him out in some way.)

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[tanzentravis.livejournal.com]

What is "keikaku"?

[kasumi-blue.livejournal.com]

It's Japanese for "plan" or "scheme."

[kiriska.livejournal.com]

Suzaku's sudden Machiavelliian attitude pisses me off given the last 40 episodes, yeah. :| Good job, asshole.

Well, now we know why Zero rated Kaguya's intelligence so damn high. xD More civil war within the BK? I think so.

[demyx.livejournal.com]

I actually have to wonder about Marianne too. I remember when she approached C.C., C.C. mentioned something about her showing up because of Lelouch and Marianne said something alone the lines of "Do you think I'm that kind of ideal mother?" I mean, I need to watch that episode again probably, but the way it was worded... I dunno, Marianne was described as being a loving mother, so I'm guessing she does have total confidence in her son or she does intend to help him at some point and is just being light-hearted about it (I would assume the second one fits her character more but hell, I know nothing about Marianne except that she was supposed to be dead).

And I feel so bad for Suzaku. When he finally realizes that his way of thinking wasn't working out for him, he's gone off the deep end. He's tried so hard to hang onto his ideals for changing the world in a gentler way, doing it the "right" way without violence and this is the last straw for him. I never really blamed him for trying to hold onto his moral high ground, I think he was really horrified with himself after he killed his father and he naturally had trouble accepting that he could be someone who could and would cut down their own family for "results". Episode 18 sort of woke him up, showing him that even if he didn't want to, he HAD to abandon his ideals because it just wasn't working for him, or at this point, there's really no point in holding onto them. Who is he trying to impress now that everyone is dead/hates him?

I mean, yeah, he COULD have abandoned his ideals sooner but that's not what Suzaku was trying to do. He just wanted to do things his way, much like Lelouch, and in the end it made him lose everything... just like Lelouch. This isn't really an improvement for him, he's just in the same position as Lelouch where's he got nothing to lose, so to hell with it, right?

That's just my two cents, I think I kinda went on a tangent with Suzaku, LOL.

edit: ON ANOTHER NOTE, DOES IT BUG ANYONE HOW QUALITY THIS EPISODE WAS? Seriously, is it just me? I mean, it was like... episode 13 bad. Like Gurren Lagann episode 4 bad.

[nayami.livejournal.com]

Sheesh, it's not like character development is a bad thing.

[able.livejournal.com]

took the words right out of my mouth

[seikita.livejournal.com]

Was going to ask this, thanks ^^

[inastr8jacket.livejournal.com]

We know close to nothing about Marianne so it's hard to predict what type of person she is and what she's planning to do, other than helping Lelouch out in some way. What I want to know is what's going to happen to Anya? Marianne took over her body, but does that make Anya lost? To be honest, I found the whole scene pretty cheap, or at least, very rushed. Especially with C.C. getting her memories back.

Actually this whole episode was rushed. I don't feel like a lot was explained in this episode. I think I'll rewatch it in case I missed something. Also, I wanted to see more of Bismark vs. Suzaku (They were actually fighting. With SWORDS!)

I'm kind of miffed that Suzaku and Lelouch pretty much exchanged their beliefs. I can't see Lelouch as the kind of guy to take the methods into serious consideration. It seems like it would... slow him down or something? But I agree with everything demyx said, so... read that. However! Suzaku and Lelouch just keep losing more. By going with the coup, Suzaku has a couple more enemies. And what about Gino? I don't think he's the type to make a complete turnaround, but he's pissed. Lelouch sealed himself away with Charles so, yeah, there's a loss (but he'll pull himself out somehow, of course) But that conversation with Rivalz? Bawww ;_;

The animation of this episode was pretty bad. It kind of hurt. Lelouch looked pretty good, but... that's it. Everything was really messy.

[susure.livejournal.com]

Yeah, in all scenes that weren't headshots, the animation was terrible. But they're winding down and probably have to save the budget for the last couple of eps.

Does anyone think that Marianne is not actually Anya but controlling Anya? Because C.C. asks her, "you came all the way here?" which would imply she was not Anya all along. Plus, while we know Marianne has a Geass, it doesn't mean Anya does. Rather, glowing red irises imply she is under Geass's effects.

[spleener.livejournal.com]

To be honest I think that most of the impression of QUALITY was created by that first shot of Suzaku. Not that the rest of the episode was perfect, but still, I don't think people would have noticed it as much if not for that shot.

[kurosaki-ichi.livejournal.com]

haah suzaku got owned so easily in swordfight with Bismark XD

[tarkara.livejournal.com]

"Also, I wanted to see more of Bismark vs. Suzaku (They were actually fighting. With SWORDS!)"

Well he IS Syaoran.

[tarkara.livejournal.com]

Lelouch geassed the artists to draw him well and everyone else badly.

[consequences.livejournal.com]

I agree about Suzaku. :\ I don't like how his 'results' view now is really similar to how Lulu is, since they're supposed to be foils for each other, etc. Don't know how fandom will take this.

Um, yeah, that's all I have to say. o-o

[consequences.livejournal.com]

amen to the Syaoran thing.

only he is even dumber. ♥

[koyuki-azumaya.livejournal.com]

Y'know, I wouldn't be surprised if that was what actually happened XD

[sevetenks.livejournal.com]

My biggest thing about this ep was



'bout fuckin' time he thought do do this =A=

[dragonphoenix77.livejournal.com]

I didn't really like the whole I-be-pushy thing with Suzaku, I think he should stick to his ideals. I am impressed and somewhat pleased that he and Lelouch are now somewhat on the "same side", though that just may be the fangirl coming out in me. :D; But I think that this is really painful for him, and that he actually is sane and not cracked. He knows exactly what he's doing and he's doing it because to him, it's like: "Hell, what do I have to lose? This is what can work, and I'm going to go with it."

Also, was Marianne inside Anya all along? Or is she actually Anya? That was an interesting twist- I knew there'd be something with Anya later on, but I never suspected it'd be this.

Aaaand the art in the beginning really threw me off, I wasn't actually sure if I was watching the right thing or not... I also went back twice to check if I was on the right episode...

[demyx.livejournal.com]

There was a partial novel translated posted back that showed hints of Anya being more directly involved with Marianne, in that she was able to find her way around Aries Palace without needing any help despite the fact she had never been there before (I think? It sounded like that) and there's her whole thing with having messed up memories and such. I think there is something about Anya that links her to Marianne. But I agree, I wouldn't say yet that Anya is Marianne. However, it doesn't seem like that Anya was just a random person that Marianne happened to possess and there is a reason that Anya was the one who ended up being Marianne's vessel? I hope they touch on that.

Man, I need to stop being so tl;dr about this. But yeah, I guess they are saving their budget for the last episodes... didn't think about that >>;

[demyx.livejournal.com]

I actually noticed it around the part where C.C. and Marianne were talking, when the camera zoomed out, C.C. had like... a blob for an arm. I kept staring at it and missed half the conversation. >>;

[rawrrdoll.livejournal.com]

Idem..xDDDDD!
and Yeah C.C is back ;__;!

[levve.livejournal.com]

Maybe...

[chickee1.livejournal.com]

I call for a Nayami take on this episode...

please?

[nayami.livejournal.com]

lolololol. We'll see. |D;; This one is hard.

[silentorphan.livejournal.com]

So did anybody else go "WELL IF YOU HAD COME TO THIS CONCLUSION ABOUT 40 FUCKING EPISODES AGO IT WOULD'VE SAVED EVERYONE A LOT OF TROUBLE" at this line?

Sunrise deliberately made it ironic since Lelouch's voiceover for the preview of next week's ep included, roughly: "Maybe Suzaku was right. Maybe what matter are the methods, not the results."

Thankfully, Lelouch is pragmatic enough to know that he's in too deep by now, so he won't be changing HIS methodology.