Episode 19 discussion?

[nayami.livejournal.com]

Since the last episode discussion post went so well, I figured why not give it another go-around? My original plan was to post these on Saturdays so people had a good day to check out the raw and track down summaries and the like but since I enjoy the discussions myself and won't be around much Saturday, this one comes a bit early.

I'd also like to point out that I am extremely biased in what I talk about to start the discussion so if you have characters/topics you're more interested in, feel free to thread about them as well.



I knew the island arc would be entertaining, but I was hardly expecting it to be good. I love that Euphemia knew who Zero was the entire time but never told Cornelia because she didn't want to cause her sister any more pain by knowing it was their own brother fighting against them. I love Euphemia in general now. The scene where Lelouch and Suzaku are facing off and Kallen's basically calling Euphemia a vapid princess just before Euphemia tells Suzaku to forget about her and kick Kallen's ass, that was the first sign of Euphemia's edge that I've ever seen. I liked it. Not as much as Lelouch totally failing at survival life, unable to even dig a hole. Why were you born a man, Lulu? It was hilarious of the writers to continuously compare Lelouch's failures with Suzaku's leet fishing skills.

Though I agree with the anime bloggers that the Euphie/Lulu parts were hella better than Suza/Kallen. Suzaku and Kallen were just a world of bitchery, while Euphemia and Lelouch had connection and understanding, at least in part. I wonder how the knowledge that Cornelia is investigating what happened to Lelouch's family will affect his thirst for vengeance. With his family members each revealing themselves as decent human beings, Lelouch is losing more reason to hate them. What does this mean for his purpose in the Rebellion?

People say that because Lelouch showed friendliness to Euphemia, he's all up for siscon. I point out that Lelouch is generally nice to girls, and I think the flashback revealed that Lelouch's family had always been close to Euphemia. I think this was another reason he stayed his hand back during the hotel incident, the exact behavior that led Euphemia to believe he was Zero. I didn't pay much attention to other aspects of this episode until the surprise attack at the end because I think I need to really know what's being said in the Gawain and Black Knights scenes to truly appreciate them. Summaries are not going to do it.

I hope we get more of Suzaku's reaction to the whole "live" incident next week since he didn't have any character-revealing moments in his time with Kallen, aside from his telling her he killed his father. I think this is a big step for him. Words cannot describe how much I adore the way Lelouch GEASSed Suzaku. When I first saw the shot of Suzaku with the red-rimmed eyes associated with GEASS, I was sad because I thought Lelouch was finally favoring the Rebellion over Suzaku. I was extremely relieved to learn his GEASS command to Suzaku was simply "live." Others are talking about the command having a lasting effect, which I think would be smart of the creators, but I'm not sure if they're going to do it. In the past, we've seen the GEASS can last for an infinite time when a non-descript command is given. People ask why Lelouch didn't use multiple commands at once such as "Fight your way out of here. Leave Britannia. Join the Black Knights." I think the most obvious reason is that Lelouch wanted immediate action. He knew Suzaku was going to sacrifice himself to ensure Zero was destroyed, and had to revert that decision immediately. He probably didn't have time to evaluate all the possible commands. He never intended to GEASS Suzaku in the first place so it was a spur-of-the-moment thing.

I think the command itself shows Lelouch's continued loyalty to Suzaku, although I fully admit it also allowed Lelouch the opportunity to escape himself. But that was a gamble, and we're not even fully sure how that happened; it's hinted it has something to do with the unseen GEASS user. It seems to me Lelouch was more focused on getting Suzaku out of harm's way than escaping himself -- He could have told Suzaku to simply "Get us out of here"-- but I'm an optimist when it comes to them so I could be wrong. I wonder if the GEASS user zapped everyone to the island to simply put the Gawain in Lelouch's possession or if they know about Lelouch and the royals. I'm also unsure why Suzaku freaks out when the whole group is controlled by the GEASS teleportation at the end of the episode. Is he recalling what happened with C.C.?

Comments

[mitzrael.livejournal.com]

With those comments in mind I'm going to watch ep18 and then comment myself =P ( couldn't watch it yet 'cause of stupid exam in the morning _-_U)

tl;dr

[verity-isle.livejournal.com]

Somewhat OT, but what does siscon mean right now, actually? In J-fandom it usually means you're very attached to your sister or more liable to be much nicer to them than the rest of the universe, but it seems the E-fandom tends to take it to 'bordering on incestual'. By first definition I would put LL as a siscon...well, he's ALWAYS been a siscon, really. By second...I don't think it ever crossed his mind, though I wouldn't be surprised if Euphemia had a mild crush on him back in the day.

I agree, Lelouch-Euphie > Kallen-Suzaku. The best irony in your comparison : Kallen calling Euphemia a doll who can't do a thing herself. lol Kallen, guess who actually couldn't do a thing himself? I think my love for Lulu just shot over the roof AGAIN, if that's even possible. There's his sheer dorky cuteness in this episode that you wouldn't think possible, and there's his incredibly touching Geass order, which I also think would be a lasting effect---Suzaku's going to try his damnedest to stay alive without knowing what he's doing, which might backfire tragically sometime later like everything else LL does. And if Euphie was second to CC in my female character evaluation last time, she's top now. Euphie's "Wut u say!?" face is incredible, and Britannian Royal Imperiousness = Pwnage.

Why LL didn't Geass More Sensibly = Spur of the moment. Plus, I don't think LL wants Suzaku to go to his side with the Geass. He wants approval in the real sense, there's too much pride, and there's too much sadness. LL wants his action to have meaning, and it means nothing if he treats people he cares about as pawns, since they're the only line he has now between the Lelouch and the Demon Warlord.

As for Suzaku, I have not a clue. I thought he was recalling CC's event, too, since the power seems to be the same type...or perhaps there's something more. Hard to say. Has to love CC's "I told you I am not his lover" issue, though.

[tatooine.livejournal.com]

Lelouch's command to Suzaku was really interesting in light of Lelouch musing for most of 17.5 about how Suzaku possibly wanted to die, didn't care about living, was serving in the Britannian military as his atonement for having killed his dad. If "live" is going to be a long-lasting command, that'll have a pretty serious impact on Suzaku in the long run...

Anyone know what Lelouch said to Euphie about Suzaku? All I caught was his name.

[rukawagf.livejournal.com]

actually, i was more screaming "CLAMP!!! YOU COPIED GUNDAM SEEEEEEEEED!!!!!" XD

the fireplace night scene with Suza X Kallen is sooooo Athrun x Cagali at their island scene, all the way down to Cagali/Kallen held prisoner XD That and when Suzaku confesses "I killed my own father" that scene reminded me of Athrun saying "I killed Kira" to Cagali later XD ah well. it was still awsome XD


Personally I love Lulu's command "LIVE!!!" a lot. He didn't say "Make sure we all live!" or "get us the hell outta here" he said in a bit more unselfish way, and to help Suzaku's suicidal intents.

Now I'm curious, what Suzaku will do later when he's in danger. Would he try to follow the command blindly again? :P

[zalem.livejournal.com]

Must say I was really ambivalent about Euphie before...just didn't care one way or another about her. I guess because I was a bit skeptical she was a Lacus-clone. But I think I am rather fond of her after this episode. I do hope she develops more. Looks like someone's gonna have to save Euphie from Nina's evil clutches next episode.

LOL...lulu. Such a silly, silly boy. *pets*

I agree with most of you guys in that the Euphie/Lulu scenes were way more interesting. I really don't want to see Lulu fighting his siblings anymore ;-;...Lulu you moron, they actually LIKE you and probably had nothing to do with your mom's death. But that father of his is another story...I still think he's a right bastard.

Damn, I really love this series! ^__^

[oh-geass-no.livejournal.com]

This whole episode was really nifty, I thinks~! Lots of OH SNAP moments and revealings of things. Can't go wrong with Lulu getting a shiny new knightmare either.

I have to say, one of the most amusing things about this episode for me, is that it's on an island, so I get to see how Lelouch would survive on one and he... isn't very good at it. Ah ha ha I get to do some muse torture later.

It really makes me wonder just what Lulu can do in the terms of survival. He obviously is pretty failget at the most of it, but can he even cook or anything? Haha, oh , the curiousity.

. . . Then again, since he always orders out for C.C. and has a maid, I get the feeling he doesn't know much, if anything about cooking. Oops.

[magical-poof.livejournal.com]

I just kinda have a short comment. Telling Suzaku to "live" totally changes his approach to life, though. Remember how he's constantly risking himself to save others? Well, no more of those stupid stunts... I think it might really affect how he does thinks and his self-sacrificing attitude will be completely gone or conflicting against the Geass...