New LJ community for Suzaku/Nunnally stuff

[otakukeith.livejournal.com]

Phoenix and Crane: the Suzaku/Nunnally community - nunnally_suzaku

I figured every other pairing has its own comm, and this pairing seems to have a measurable number of fans (based on the fics etc. I've seen for it and the comments I've had on my own writing). Already posted: a list of fanart/cosplay pictures links and a list of fanfic links.

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[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

The latter. I can't rule out the former entirely, depending on the execution, as I don't know that Nunnally is fully post-pubescent as of R1...she's still basically a child. And three years is kind of on the significant age difference borderline when you're talking about a fourteen-year-old and a seventeen-year-old (however I'm aware that as of the end of R2, when a fair number of the fics take place, they are 15 and 18 and Nunnally is definitely a young woman). But I was mainly referring to using her as a sex object *motions to body pillow Nunnally OH GOD WHY*

I'm not gonna talk about Lelouch/Nunnally because I'd almost certainly offend the apparently large number of fans of the pairing.

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[otakukeith.livejournal.com]

Lelouch/Nunnally ticks me off not so much because it's squicky (though it often is) but because it seems to stem from the same sniggery, juvenile school of thought that gives rise to a lot of slash pairings (and pairings in general): namely, that if two people show affection for each other, they MUST be feeling some sexual attraction, even if they're related or seemingly the wrong gender/orientation combination. If nothing else, the pairing ought to be nearly impossible due to the Westermarck effect (basically, people who live together before age 6 are almost vanishingly unlikely to become romantic partners in later life, regardless of whether they're actually related - the effect was documented in children raised together comunally in Israeli kibbutzes).

Back on topic, yeah, I probably wouldn't ever write Nunnally and Suzaku getting physically intimate in R1-era outside a very alternate universe (like one set in a past era where that sort of thing was more normal). In R1, as you say, she's just too childlike. When writing the pairing in R1, the Jailbait Wait trope is in order.

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[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Hey, I didn't have to say anything, you said exactly what I was thinking. I'm also pretty viscerally bothered by the squick, but that's mostly because I stumbled - completely without warning - on a graphic, full-color Lelouch/Nunnally doujin. Imaged burned into brain, kind of ruined afternoon. Did not want.

When writing the pairing in R1, the Jailbait Wait trope is in order.
I don't mind that at all. In fact, Suzaku being chivalrous for Nunnally's sake is sort of the heart of the pairing IMO. (Also, gasp, a trope I haven't heard of/seen before. I can tell what it is from the name, but a trip to TV tropes may be in order. Thank god my uni hw is done.)

All this kind of points back to my original sort-of-complaint, which is that I'm sometimes a tad afraid of what *fandom* does to certain pairings, even if I don't find the pairing itself bothersome. I actually think adult-Tianzi/Xing ke (if he lives that long, although considering the non-progression of his disease in R2, he just might) is kind of sweet and thought it was sort of hinted at in the show that they were destined for one another, but I don't really look for it in fandom because I expect to find a lot of weird, graphic loli stuff. And hey, it's their business if somebody is into that, but I'd prefer to enjoy the thought of it away from people who do it in a way that bothers me.

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it seems to stem from the same sniggery, juvenile school of thought that gives rise to a lot of slash pairings (and pairings in general): namely, that if two people show affection for each other, they MUST be feeling some sexual attraction

Uh... isn't that kind of what Suzaku/Nunnally stems from? Don't get me wrong, I love the pairing, but it's not like there's a lot of canon inspiration for it outside of "they're affectionate toward one another", so I don't really see why you'd be criticizing that thought process.

Also, the slash wrong gender/orientation combo... it's not like most of the characters' orientations are explicitly stated anywhere.

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[scribblestorm.livejournal.com]

I always thought that little conversation Nunnally and Lelouch had at the end of episode 21 (or 20? The one with the giant pizza) hinted at - at the very least - one-sided Nunnally/Suzaku. "Euphy says she and Suzaku are becoming very close!"; in both renditions, Nunnally sounds somewhat sad (?) when she follows this up with, "They...make a good couple, don't they?" Not to mention Lelouch's reply of, "Nunnally, you...?" I dunno, I could be wrong. Did anyone else pick this up?

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[otakukeith.livejournal.com]

Fair point. scribblestorm mentioned the conversation in the festival episode that seems to support the pairing, but I guess I didn't explain my position very well. To clarify: I think there's a difference between thinking two friends might become romantically involved and interpreting people who show affection in a non-romantic context (such as siblings, or two implicitly or explicitly heterosexual friends of the same gender) as being attracted to each other.

Also, the slash wrong gender/orientation combo... it's not like most of the characters' orientations are explicitly stated anywhere.

I was speaking generally, not just about Code Geass. The more popular slash pairings in CG are actually a lot more believable than some of the ones in other fandoms.

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The more popular slash pairings in CG are actually a lot more believable than some of the ones in other fandoms.

Yeah, I've seen a lot of slash pairings for which I go, "Really? Where the hell did you get that from?" but for Suzaku/Lelouch and Gino/Suzaku, well, I can totally understand. Hell, Sayoko thinks Suzaku and Lelouch are lovers after she over-hears them talking early in R1, but then again she thinks he's a crossdressing playboy and a siscon, so she jumps to conclusions quickly and is an unreliable narrator (I swear, the R1 Sayoko-crack side materials are the best).