Turn 13: Rolo may be innocent. (With proof!)

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

When I first watched the episode, I thought something was fishy about Shirley's death scene.

At first, I thought they cut it off for the shock, but there was something else fishy about it. Wouldn't it have been MORE shocking if we actually saw Rolo knife her? We saw Euphie getting shot, after all.

And then, while watching, something hit me.

Rolo carries a knife. He uses his knife to usually kill people when he geasses them.

BUT:



That looks like a bullet hole to me.


Well, she did have a gun on her, so it IS possible Rolo used that, but also--




The gun was found IN HER HAND.



And WE SAW NOTHING. We didn't even see Rolo cast his Geass, but here are some interesting facts we DO know:

It appears Shirley was killed by a gun, not a knife.
Her gun was found in her hand.
We did not see what happened to Suzaku after he 'went in'. (Suspicious... >.>)


Now, I suppose it is possible that Rolo did have a gun on him and shot her. I actually don't care either way, I love Rolo and always will. BUT--after years of watching murder mysteries on TV, these little facts seem all too suspicious to me. And I kinda hope this is geass pulling another twist on us, because it would be awesome.

...Thoughts on my theory?



EDIT: Just to clarify:

I DON'T THINK IT WAS SUICIDE. I think that, if it wasn't Rolo, her death was an accident. An accident by the name of--

SUZAKU! *accusing finger here*

Well, we didn't see what happened after he went in, after all. He could have seen Rolo about to knife Shirley up, shot, and accidentally hit Shirley or something.

Meh--I just want it to be that way because it would be twisty and awesome and it would be like twisted revenge for Euphie--which is also awesome.

(Yeah, really, if Rolo did actually kill her, fine, but these little things make it fun to speculate >.>).



EDIT 2: Okay, I know highly unlikely that Suzaku did it. I just thought it was a fun crack theory. >.>

But I still think it's pretty possible Rolo didn't kill her.

Comments

[snozzlenut.livejournal.com]

I'm slowly but surely making my way through reviewing this episode in my LJ but all I can pretty much say is how much Rolo is freaking me out lately. I've loved him since he made his first appearance and keep saying he is my favourite but right now I can't bring myself to like him because he is just really disturbing. The boy is crazy and the boy killed Shirley in a movement of crazy crazyness. I can't help but picture him appearing at the window of Lulu's bedroom, lit up with lightning flashes, holding a bloody knife and whispering 'we'll be together foreeeeveeer'

I seriously need some sleep xD

[starryburst.livejournal.com]

But doesn't that make him all the more endearing? His psychotic-ness, that is. xD;

Re: Crack!Speculation

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

Well, we actually DO have confirmation that Suzaku's "Live!" geass was gonna screw the boy over someday... >.>

I like this theory. Though it's only about 1% plausible, I like it. :D

Cuz Suzaku accidentally killing Shirley would equal MOAR ANGST for the boy. And MOAR ANGST for Suzaku is GOOD. :D

[marikandcloe.livejournal.com]

I think Rolo did murder Shirley, but people keep saying it was just jealousy? Yeah. I'm not going to deny that jealousy probably motivated him further but he definately wanted to kill her because she knew too much.

If lelouch or anyone questions his actions he's probably going to use that as a reason as well.

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

Yeah that was my first thought too.

But Lelouch isn't going to take that as an excuse.

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

Yeah I don't think it was Suzaku, and if it wasn't Rolo, then who could it be?

I am hoping it wasn't Rolo, but I can't see any option on who else it could be. When I read this, Suzaku was my first thought, killing her before she could join Lelouch. But on second thought there's no way Suzaku would do that.

But yes the fact that it was a bullet hole, not a massive cut, does give me the impression that it might not have been Rolo.

I really want Rolo to hurry up and meet Nunnally and be all sunshine and bubbles with her and then they can get married and have curly brown haired children.

[clones.livejournal.com]

Don't know if someone mentioned this already because I don't feel like reading all of the replies, but did anyone notice how Rolo's face dropped after he almost activated his geass?

Rolo hadn't activated his geass yet, so he couldn't have stopped time. We've seen Shirley do some pretty dangerous things when she's flipping out (like trying to run off of a building when confronted with faceless Sazaku and Lelouch). So maybe she shot herself in a moment of panic when she saw Rolo's face fall to the floor?

It's a small leap, but only small. I just find it strange that Rolo's face dropping into a mask was put in there after Shirley had decided to be on Lelouch's side. ~Curious

I think that it's a possiblity that she shot herself without knowing what she was doing.

Probably not right though.

[konart.livejournal.com]

We have spoilers for 14th EP
Rolo said himself he did it)
Thats why Lelouch wants too kill him along with V.V.

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

hoh shit O_o

Damn, you destroyed all my speculation xD

[sapphirus.livejournal.com]

Without really reading what everyone else's comments are... (I'm still on the upper half of Page 1), I think if it was Rolo, he might've stabbed her straight through for that hole (but then it's explaining how the blood is pooling up in that circle?). I don't think he would've used Shirley's gun.

Suicide is highly doubtful. I'm not sure who else other than Suzaku (and maybe some of the Emperor's grunts) were around, and would Suzaku even stab Shirley when he asked the men downstairs to watch over her (and even take her back home)?

By the by, I don't like Shirley all that much. She was just there as a HS love interest, random plot device, Lulu-angster to me. I still like Rolo, but I don't know what this is going to do to him (not anything good...). Her death didn't serve any purpose so far except raising the angst bar and having a council member be aware that not all is well in Ashford Academy. All in all, her silence is preferable in keeping status quo and that, not just the mention of Nunnally, would be why Rolo'd have done her in.

If it was him.

In the midst of all that, I want to see some proof of damage to the shirt. Wet or not, the way it was drawn, the cloth looks taunt and intact. :/

[nayami.livejournal.com]

Ok I won't post my intended comment to this because it is vicious and probably would be censored anyway.

I love Rolo. I would love to believe he did not do this. He has to know killing Shirley will hurt Lelouch. His first priority when Jeremiah showed up on campus was protecting Ashford. Not for Ashford but for Lelouch. His records, flashed in episode 4, show Rolo does not interact much with other students. Only his brother. I believe his dealings with the council are just mundane to him; it's Lelouch's attention/presence he treasures.

That said, Rolo has always been mission driven. We have seen him kill when the secret of Geass was in danger. No thought. Just immediate response. Lelouch's mechanisms have led Rolo to switch his mission. It is now PROTECT LELOUCH. At first, I was willing to believe this was selfish and that he doesn't want to get caught at defecting. But this episode showed me Rolo wants, more than anything, his brother's praise and his brother's happiness. WITH HIM. Rolo will do anything for him.

When Shirley mentioned Nunnally, it might have snapped those reflexes. Shirley knew Lelouch's secret. Rolo does not analyze not Lelouch; he would not have considered whether Shirley would keep Lelouch's secret. All he knew was that she knew, and that she was a threat. A threat that placed his brother in grave danger. That outweighed hurting Lelouch. The mission first. So it's fully plausible, as much as I hate it, that Rolo pulled his gun swiping trick and killed her. Leaving her with the gun makes it seem as much a suicide as anything.

Oh and also DO NOT BLAME SUZAKU AGAIN. IT'S NOT FUNNY. SUZAKU LOVED SHIRLEY. dammit.

[sumeragiskank.livejournal.com]

I can't believe people are actively believing that Suzaku killed Shirley. He couldn't even order a man to death for attempting to kill him, and this is Shirley, a girl who he no doubt loves as a friend and cares about and was clearly concerned for her safety earlier in the episode. What motive would he have? It's completely out of his character and especially stupid considering Rolo, the trained, jealous mentally unstable assassin was right there with her, activated his geass for some reason and has been shown to kill people and make it look like suicide. Nevermind the crazy locket symbolism.

If Suzaku really wanted to kill Shirley, and was such a coldblooded killer that people paint him to be, GEE YOU WOULD THINK HE WOULD HAVE JUST DROPPED BOTH THEIR ASSES EARLIER IN THE EP AND CALLED IT AN ACCIDENT. POTENTIAL ZERO PROBLEM SOLVED.

[sanada.livejournal.com]

That really does look like a bullet wound. Single stabs to the abdomen are life-threatening, but bleed comparatively much less than a bullet wound in the same location because the flesh closes around the hole and the damaged blood vessels are able to constrict and limit bleeding to some exent. Unless Shirley was stabbed upwards through her sternum (which takes a lot of strength) to nick her heart, her biggest danger would be shock, not blood loss. A trained assassin armed with a knife would be more likely to go for a neck blow against a victim who couldn't fight back. Unlike the chest and abdomen, the blood vessels in the neck are much closer to the surface.

Bullet wounds, on the other hand, tend to spurt blood because the bullet creates a larger cavity and ruptures more blood vessels over a larger area. A stab wound to the gut might cause deadly organ damage and infection, but there's much less immediate danger from blood loss and shock.

I think the scene is deliberately set up to be ambiguous, but it doesn't fit Rolo's style... he could easily have Geassed and stabbed her (Rollo wouldn't go off to save Lelouch without being armed), but instead he would have had to Geass her, take her gun, shoot her, and then replace her gun. Rolo didn't see Shirley's earlier near-suicide attempt, so why would he try to make it look like a suicide? He's never done that before when he's killed people. Besides, just leaving her dead without replacing the gun would make it much more convincing that Jeremiah or a Britannian soldier had killed her. The attempt to make it look like suicide and the lack of a finishing blow seem to point away from a professional assassin being the killer.

Which leaves Suzaku, possibly Sayoko, or someone we didn't see. I doubt it would be Sayoko. Less emotional impact. Besides, she could just knock Shirley out. Suzaku, though, would add tons of emotional impact for the storyline... I don't think Suzaku would have intentionally killed her, but what if Shirley died during some kind of botched attempt to capture Rolo? Then Suzaku might understand what it was like when Lelouch accidentally killed Euphie.

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

I think it could be Suzaku because of the Live! geass. I mean...Shirley's shot at other people before to protect Lelouch... >.>

While somewhat unlikely, it would be so amazingly awesome and angsty if this happened.

[furato.livejournal.com]

If this is a trial, Rolo would be acquitted for lack of evidence. At first I thought it was sure he killed her, because his Geass eye glowed right before the "mask" fell. But after watching the episode a few times (rewinding countless times on Fukuyama Jun's scream... am I an audio masochist?), it's really fishy that the actual killing scene is not shown. Court is suspended until we get more evidence. XD

I don't think it's suicide though, because as someone said above, it doesn't make sense to do it not in front of Lelouch. Besides, it's hard to shoot your own stomach. Not to mention painful... if I want to kill myself I'd shoot my head, at least I'd die instantly x_x

Nani, mai huni?

[bijou-cho.livejournal.com]

I'm kind of hoping it isn't rolo, because it would've been a little too obvious and not WTF enough for this show. XD (Then Lulu could totally plot to do away with obsessive little brother only to realise he got the wrong guy and more drama wangst ensue. :*D)

Code geass wouldn't be fun if the drama got a little too predictable.

Re: Nani, mai huni?

[bijou-cho.livejournal.com]

It's that... or it was an accident (hence shooting in stomach where Shirley can still live long enough to speak to lulu), but that would be a little tame and a bit of a cop out on the plot.

[wing-goddessxxx.livejournal.com]

ohhh~ Even though it still seems SOOO obvious that Rolo was the one that did it, i'm still trying to keep an open mind. But yea, probably was that Rolo kid :P

haha, the Suzaku crack theories are fun to read. Maybe like... Suzaku shot Shirley for revenge of Lulu shooting Euphy since Suzaku said he could never forgive Lelouch? xD !!

[kismet-chan.livejournal.com]

dunno if anyone catched this but shirley and euphy were shot in the same place. I have a feeling that suzaku shot shirley to get back at lelouch. I know that it's WAAAAY out there but it's just weird that it would be a coincident.

Oh well, i'm thinking to far into this.
i have pictures of euphy and shirley's death and more of my thoughts on this crazy theory at my journal (just click my name)

on a side note: when i was watching the episode and shirley was talking to rolo, when she said nunully's name the one thing that comes to mind is "oh, she's so dead" ironic huh?

[lulu-holic.livejournal.com]

GO Kit-chan GO!! i loved your theory!! Bravo!!(never thought of it !!).. but u know rolo is an assasin, he is a pro he can kill someone without leaving any trace.....unfortunately he is the killer...

We rolo fan's hope that he is innocent...

[lulu-holic.livejournal.com]

cuz suzaku is one of round of knights, Since found out that Shirley remembered everything including geaas and the emperor secrets, so he killed her for the sake of emperor, he vowed his loyalty to him, didint he? suzaku is someone who follows the rules, then his personal emotion comes sfter (rule fist, personal emotion second)

[nekoi-echizen.livejournal.com]

This explain why she didn't want that Lelouch call someone!

[starsinshapes.livejournal.com]

I want to believe you're theory. I don't want to hate Rolo.

[sukiyakiya.livejournal.com]

I think Shirley isn't suicide, see the pistol on her hand, seeing on the position, its hard to pull the string to gave a shot (if you have a fake gun, or soft air gun that not dangerous, try it yourself^^; ) Normally, if people who want to suicide using a gun, the gun position will be left backside.

But still the suspicion still toward Rollo (i don't want it to be him..but..), maybe until all be cleared we can't blame rollo afterall.

Seeing the victim and a few evidence make us the viewer like in Suzaku's position when he saw Zero shoot Euphemia.

So slow down, and just watch until end^^

[shiroki-tenshi.livejournal.com]

And Shirley couldn't tell Lulu who had shot her? And couldn't Lulu use a better order than "Don't close your eyes"? I mean, such as "LIVE" like he did with Suzaku?

(hasn't watched the episode yet)

[tanzentravis.livejournal.com]

I'm relatively certain he did use "LIVE".

[himehikari.livejournal.com]

I hope it's not Rollo or Suzaku. There might be someone else *laughs* I'll just hope for that

[soba-noodlez.livejournal.com]

Actually...we did see Rollo cast his geass. That's what incriminates him. If he hadn't, then there would be no proof against him. And about the whole gun thing, he could've just put the gun back into her hand and then make a run for it before the geass's time was up.

[hamano-ayumi.livejournal.com]

I have this little twitch in the back of my brain telling me that Shirley possibly killed herself...*HIT BY RANDOM SHOES*

I do believe Rolo wouldn't have killed her, possibly becuase it would bring on the giant wrath of Lulu times one thousand. And I don't think Suzaku did it because he values Shirley as a friend, he's too soft for cold blooded killing.

So right now, I'm thinking it may be possible she killed herself willingly. Why? I have absolutely no clue, it's just a random theory. XD

[gab-rey.livejournal.com]

There is no way that Suzuku would kill Shirley. It's very out of character for him to do that especially after he tried to save both Lelouch's and Shirley's lives early in the episode.

Without a doubt it was Rollo. Rollo did not like Shirley because she was taking away his brother's attantion and it made it worse when she mentioned Nannully, who is another person Rollo does not seem to like because her existence makes him remember that he is not really Lelouch's brother. Him casting his geass and the part where Shirley saw his mask fall further goes to show that he did it. She knew that he was not really Lelouch's real brother. He did it in a fit of rage without thinking of the consequences.

Also, there was no reason for Shirley to kill herself because she had forgiven Lelouch and even wanted to fight along side him.

[lurel.livejournal.com]

I was kinda glad that they didn't show her getting shot. Like you and your murder mysteries on tv... I've just seen that kind of scene too many times... so I was glad she was shot off-camera. But I never considered Rollo not doing the deed... this DOES put an interesting twist on things. lol

But I think it's more like a "Lelouch finds out who did it later" kind of thing... I mean, he doesn't know that Rollo was there right?