C.C.'s burn mark

[defade.livejournal.com]

Since Turn 15 has revealed quite a lot about CC's past and what the symbol in her forehead was, I recalled the burn mark that's slightly below her left breast shown in a flashback in episode 11 of season 1.

Now I don't really think we can theorize on what it exactly is, at this point, given the lack of information - but what intrigued me is, exactly when could CC have gotten this mark? The possibility of it being after she got her Code is really low - because throughout the series, she had suffered multiple wounds of varying degrees of severeness - yet none of them left a scar like the burn mark did(I assume it was a burn mark based on its charred looks). And yet it wouldn't be before she got her Code either, because even if she did suffer through slavery, and it would be possible for her master to 'mark' her by burning a symbol onto her, it would be weird for it to have such striking similarities to the Geass symbol.(Unless she was a slave for the Geass cult or something - but we don't really know if it exsisted back in her time) And assuming that the similarities were merely coicidential - we don't get to see her burn mark when she recieved the Code and got all bloody in Turn 15, and neither do we see it in the matching ED1 picture.(And in both cases, her hand wasn't in the way)

So....any thoughts? Or am I thinking too deeply about this?

Comments

[fox-holland.livejournal.com]

Wow talk about plothole.

[lulu-quality.livejournal.com]

It hasn't been explained yet, maybe? We still don't know absolutely everything about her.

[chiapetzukamori.livejournal.com]

well, I've always thought that that scene where she's bleeding under the stained glass window is when she got it.

Now that we know that that was when she was forced to kill the nun I assume it was something that happened during that. Now, we don't know for sure what happened during that...but why would C.C. be bleeding so much too? I doubt the nun would attack her to the point where she was on the verge of death if she wanted her to kill her. It is possible those wounds were from C.C. resisting and accidentely inflicted upon herself...but as we don't know what happened at that time, other then the results, there's no way to know for sure yet.

For all we know, Charles has one on his chest too from V.V. ^_^

Oh, and I always thought of it as a scar from a cut of some kind. It has a charred look, but scars usually do in anime :-D
...but that's just me

[schwindelmagier.livejournal.com]

Wasn't the symbol on his hand?

[wolfkat4.livejournal.com]

There was an ink simbol on C.C. forhead.

[chiapetzukamori.livejournal.com]

That was V.V.'s (and now Charle's) code. It was equivalent to C.C.'s code that was on her forehead.

The thing on her chest is completely separate ^_^

[hobbit-hunter.livejournal.com]

I always thought this as well. In season 1 we got a flashback to her sitting naked in a pond looking at the scar. After seeing Ep 15 of R2, I figured she was sitting in the pond cleaning herself up from all the blood.

[kurozukin-a.livejournal.com]

Now that we know that that was when she was forced to kill the nun I assume it was something that happened during that. Now, we don't know for sure what happened during that...but why would C.C. be bleeding so much too? I doubt the nun would attack her to the point where she was on the verge of death if she wanted her to kill her.
Why not? It sounds like a good plan to me. The nun needs C.C. to to kill her, but C.C. is reluctant. The nun attacks with deadly force so C.C. will have no choice but to respond with deadly force to defend herself. If it works, then the nun gets what she wanted -- death. If she screws up and C.C. dies first, then the only consequence is that the nun has to live at least a few more decades until she can get another geass user to fulfill the contract. She's no worse off than before.

[madhatterpan.livejournal.com]

I always assumed it was burned..there...as a witch punishment thing.. SOMEHOW. Maybe there are folks who know how to properly injured Geass folks even if you can't kill them? Like an...anti-Geass cult? If they can produce Geasses (I'm not even sure if that's what the plural of Geass is) like Rolo's, then perhaps it's possible to bend the rules in regard to injuring those with Codes?

Man, I just don't know anything anymore.

[goldkillerfish.livejournal.com]

Probably.. this mark is for all the Cult successors? I wonder, whether V.V. had the same.
But.. this is probably, an impossible thing.....

Well.. This mark reminds me of OotBk symbol. =)

Hmm.. I wonder, what can happen, if C.C. contakts Orenji-kun with his anti-geass powers. =)

[faye-naruse.livejournal.com]

Y-Your icon...I love it *o*

[wolfkat4.livejournal.com]

Well, after she got the Geass she didn't have that mark.
It appears to me that in the back storie, when the nun lady made C.C. invincible that is when it happened becasue the next shot is of her naked, bloody, and with the scar in front of the alter and with the nun dead.

Perhaps the nun took her heart? when I first saw the scar I thought something happened to her heart because of where it was located. and then her Geass was to make people love her. *shrug*

it doesn't appear that she has the scar anymore after she looses her memory, the mark and imortality?

[powercorrupts.livejournal.com]

I heard speculation that she got it from the Nun - it would make sense, because we don't see anything in between that confrontation. She clearly doesn't have it when the Nun first confronts her, as she's nude and unmarked then, but later we just see her bleeding and doubled over - it could very well be that she received it then, for whatever reason. If she received it before the Code, it might stay with her, though one would think she'd also have a scar from the obvious throat wound at that time too, unless for whatever reason she got that one after transferring the Code... which would make no sense, since the Nun would be dead at that point and unable to make it.

There's probably a plot hole in there somewhere, since there's so many contradicting pieces there, but they may never answer that one.

[tulleskirt.livejournal.com]

Oh my god, you icon is brilliant.

[tarkara.livejournal.com]

I just thought its how you force a code on someone like the Nun did and thats why C.C. never forced the code on Lelouch, cos she'd have to do that or soemthing similar.

[pizza-pimp.livejournal.com]

I think Lelouch may have accidentally gotten the code without him knowing...seeing as his Geass dissappeared and then reappeared again. I mean she held out the hand that she was going to give charles her immortality and it seems plausible since she lost her memories with the way her geass was removed in such a cataclysmic matter as she is falling to what seems her death so she would give it to him so she would finally die....oh well it is just a thought

[mikoto-chan13.livejournal.com]

Do you think he could possess BOTH the Code and the Geass? Because I thought that one can have either one or another... I also think we don't know for sure if Lelouch's Geass actually disappeared back in the cave, as we lost sight of him for a moment after him and C.C. came back from the other world. But I also have a feeling that the Emperor didn't get C.C.'s Code, so this might be quite a plausible explanation... Especially because I can imagine it would be a bit of a plot twist if we saw Lelouch being mortally wounded and then surprisingly "ressurected". Well, with CG, one never knows *sweatdrops*

[defade.livejournal.com]

Exactly my thoughts.

I've been thinking about the title as well - it could be something along the lines of CODE + GEASS = Lelouch of the Rebellion. Whatever the Emperor did to mess with CC, he didn't get to finish it. And well, I kind of see something important in the scene when Lelouch grabs CC's hand when she was falling. Charles most likely didn't get her Code, and CC doesn't have it anymore, so obviously it went to someone. So maybe, Charles' meddling with CC had caused Lelouch to somehow become an immortal that has his Geass.

[mikoto-chan13.livejournal.com]

Yes - I also think the whole scene where the Emperor tries to take her Geass and Lelouch interferes is very important. It seems that people think Charles did get her Code after all, but I think she probably would have lost her memories immediately after that, which doesn't quite work as she still managed to operate with the stage and save Lelouch, and then fainted. Then, her true wish is most likely to be loved, and if I got it right, it's exactly what Lelouch kind of "gave" her when he grabbed her hand, and thus the transfer could happen at that moment. The way the scene was presented also seemed very significant to me. And I fully agree with you, regarding that Charles didn't get her Code and CC doesn't have it anymore must mean it went to someone, and there was no one else but Lelouch, so...

By the way, maybe I just forgot, but have we already learnt it's automatic that the one who receives the Code loses the Geass? Because otherwise, perhaps the burn mark CC has could be related to her being "ripped off" the Geass (but that's just a random thought...)

[defade.livejournal.com]

I was almost expecting another Geass-trap-esque scene to happen when Lelouch grabbed her hand back then, but nice point with the estimated time of her memory loss. I really doubt someone can just operate the stage by instinct, and especially not the timid little slave girl CC has been reduced to by memory loss. I also believe that her true wish is to be loved by someone because of who she is, instead of her Geass or other reasons(nun wanting to use her etc.)

No, we don't - the show never even tells us when immortals lose their Geass. It's just immediately assumed that immortals lose it at some point because CC said she couldn't. Maybe they lose it the moment they recieve the Code, or maybe they lose it after something happened, and if that's the case, maybe they're not considered 'full immortals' until then and CC could have gotten her burn mark at that period...still, this is all speculation.

[fox-holland.livejournal.com]

I HAD A REVELATION!

She's not Shitzu-sama!

[darksage29.livejournal.com]

Here's my two cent's worth:
CC and the Nun did a "Viva El Tango" like in Turn 15 with charles, and this transferred the code unto CC. The scar could have been an after-effect if transferring her code into her body (or it IS her code seeing as the one on her forehead comes and goes and the code is like permanent *cough*charles*cough*).

[mierin-sama.livejournal.com]

Regarding the mark, wouldn't V.V have the same? I think it was at the back of his neck, coz that's was where C.C checked at Turn 15 wasn't it?

And then Charles killed V.V and the mark transferred to his hand? To remove the immortality, the one with Geass would have to kill the one bestowing then Geass and it would get transferred to him.

But in this case, C.C didn't die, only she lost her immortality and her memories. I assume she wanted to pass on her immortality to Charles, but bailed at the last minute. Since the mark and immortality is gone, maybe the transfer was a success? Just she didn't die?

LOL I don't know what I'm rambling anymore. Sorry XD

[hayate-beads.livejournal.com]

I think that code transfer might not mean death. The Nun may have just wanted to die after living so long and chose to after loosing immortality. Since C.C was so fond of her, the Nun may have attacked her, giving the ultimatum of taking the code or dying. @__@

[lijianliang.livejournal.com]

Now if Nightmare of Nunnally was canon, then C.C.'s scar would be explained by her run-in with Joan of Arc.

Dang, that would be such an epic battle. Saber!C.C. vs. Joan, and consequently cursing each other into witches and getting burnt at the stake.

[fujiappletan.livejournal.com]

Saber!C.C. vs. Joan
I KNEW I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO SAW THAT.