I don't know if this has been discussed before

[evrything-burns.livejournal.com]

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but does anyone else, like me, think that maybe, maybe, Lelouch's feeling for Nunnally surpass those of an ordinary brother? Maybe I've just read too many mangas that end up involving incest, but it just seems that Lelouch is going the extra mile for her. Any thoughts?

EDIT: I suppose I should have stated my case better with evidence rather than turning it into a free for all where people think I'm pulling this out of my butt 'cause I have no problems with incest (and yeah, maybe it's because I don't have any brothers) in animanga.



Yes, I admit, it's not unnatural to want to protect your family. After the death of his mother, Lelouch had only Nunnally by his side and because of her injuries, she required his attention. For the longest time, I didn't think anything of his devotion to her, but after certain events, it just makes everything come a little more into perspective.

I care about my family, and tons of people really love their siblings. I'm not heartless and would let anyone in my family die without trying to help them, but if I had Lelouch's power, I would fight for the innocent as much as my family. He claims to fight for the rest of the world, but deep down it's all for Nunnally's sake. Without her, he probably wouldn't do what he is.

In the 6th Picture Drama, Milly teased that Lelouch and Nunnally's love was beautiful but dangerous (even if she was joking, there were obviously grounds to make this assumption).

In Episode 21, when Nunnally and Euphemia were talking, Nunnally made the comment that when they were children, the two girls used to fight over who would marry Lelouch.

In Episode 23, as he fired the shot that would ultimately kill Euphemia, he admitted that she was his "first love". So he obviously had, at some point, stronger than typical feelings for his sisters.

But the turning point for me, at least, was in Episode 11 of R2. If anyone recalls, Xingke and Tianzi obviously loved each other, despite the age difference (and if people are going to spazz about the incest claims, what about the pedophilic feelings between them? He is a heck of a lot older than she is). So, not knowing whether to force Tianzi into a political marriage, or allow her to be with the one she loved, he called Shirley who told him "Love is power. Falling in love with someone gives you great power. Thinking about this person every single day...jumping into waterfalls and screaming the person's name," and when she asks, "Don't you have someone like that Lulu? To dedicate more than you normally would for someone," he immediately thought of Nunnally with his look of utter realization on his face.

There is such thing as being attracted to your siblings, and it's something some people can grow out of. Whether it's "penis envy" or whatever you call it, some girls are attracted to their fathers, some boys to their mothers, some children to their siblings. So for that to be in anime, something that dips in every taboo available, pretty well, it's not completely impossible. There is such thing as being attracted to your siblings, and it's something some people can grow out of. Whether it's "penis envy" or whatever you call it, some girls are attracted to their fathers, some boys to their mothers, some children to their siblings. So for that to be in anime, something that dips in every taboo available, pretty well, it's not completely impossible.

Comments

[lb-x.livejournal.com]

While it's fun to joke about, it doesn't come across that way for me. I always thought the Lelouch/Suzaku relationship had the potential for the same degree of intensity, like it was the three of them against the world until Suzaku decided not to play. It just seems to be part of Lelouch's personality that when he cares about someone, he cares about them, and Nunnally has been there the longest and needed him the most.

[evrything-burns.livejournal.com]

I never said I was incestuous, I'm just not bothered by it in fictional worlds. Just like people who aren't homophobic. Does it mean they're homosexual? No, they just don't get offended by people who are.

[loser-withclaws.livejournal.com]

I don't think they have a ~weird incest thing~ going on.

I do think Lelouch uses her as an excuse to do everything he does.
He's so damn out of touch.
Something tells me if he was all "But I did it for you!!!" Nunally would be all "ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS."

[bodyline.livejournal.com]

♥

[coldmero.livejournal.com]

I totally agree with you.
I mean, he has lots of other family, but Nunnally was always his most precious person.
I've always thought, without a doubt, that Lelouch had some sort of romantic feelings for Nunnally.

But then again, maybe I've just read one-too-many incest manga series.

[lavaliere]

Chill. Just because you don't care for it doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to be interested.

And I'd like to take this moment to point out that incest is not all that uncommon in royalty. In fact, it happened a lot, simply to keep blood lines "pure."

[lavaliere]

♥ :(

[bodyline.livejournal.com]

>:|

[lavaliere]

btw, your ship is still somewhat incest. :P

[bodyline.livejournal.com]

what's your point.

[lavaliere]

lawl

[bodyline.livejournal.com]

still does not see point.

[lavaliere]

wasn't much of a point.

[bodyline.livejournal.com]

why you waste my time. >:|

[lavaliere]

ilu

[bodyline.livejournal.com]

diaf.

[nomoreprinces.livejournal.com]

Ditto. I've even offered to carry his demon spawn for him since because of his wife's scoliosis she can't if she ever hopes to walk after giving birth.

[lavaliere]

I won't be able to make you anymore icons that way. :(

[a-small-star.livejournal.com]

I never said I was bothered by incest in general -- I'm not retarded, I know that royal families did that sort of thing all the time.

I'm getting sick of people in this fandom warping what's actually there into something that really isn't.

And it was more in reference to if my brother (I have no sisters) went through something like Nunnally did, and he was all I could trust in having, I'd probably burn the earth to make it right again.

[a-small-star.livejournal.com]

As above -- I'm not retarded, I know that royal families did that sort of thing all the time.

I'm getting sick of people in this fandom warping what's actually there into something that really isn't.

[mossygirl.livejournal.com]

I do think their situation is more than "normal" siblings, but I don't think of it in an "incest" way. Nunnally is all Lelouch has left (even with Euphie, think about how long he'd been separated from her). In his mind, if he doesn't take care of her, he has nothing left. Besides that, with Nunnally blind and stuck in a wheelchair, I'm guessing that Lelouch had to do a whole lot for Nunnally, more than a "normal" brother, because of her situation. Nothing romantic or sexual there -- just a family relationship taken to the extreme.

Though, I think that even if Lulu says it's all about Nunnally, there's definitely more to it than that (daddy issues are up there, oh definitely).

[a-small-star.livejournal.com]

It seems that Lelouch has little stock or favor for his other siblings (and certainly not for his father).

[apapazukamori.livejournal.com]

*shrug* As has been stated before, just because you don't care for it does not mean other people can't like it. Technically, about 80% of this fandom has no canon basis. But Gino/Suzaku and C.C./Kallen fans do exist along with Lelouch/Nunnally shippers and people who read deep and meaningful things into Rivalz and his motorcycle. Don't like it, don't read it.

[bodyline.livejournal.com]

[bodyline.livejournal.com]

Oh God someone interprets things differently than you do! How dare they, 'dem whores must diaf.


Seriously, just because you don't see it, doesn't mean others don't. The thing with most anime, and with Lelouch and Nunnally, is that there's nothing to prove concretely that yes, there is some incest there. But there's nothing to prove otherwise, either. It's just pure fan speculation on both sides of the spectrum. So saying people are warping what's there into something that's not really there? That's all entirely you're opinion. There's nothing to say for certain that it isn't there, it's all up to how you read things.