Yet another kind of half-witted discussion from me.

[icki-akki.livejournal.com]

As if I haven't been posting enough of these things already. xD Buuut, I've seen a lot of discussion going on in threads and stuff, so... Here we go? Spoilers for Turn 19. Oh, and if you're not fond of capslock... I'm sorry about that?

Okay, so there's obviously a lot of guns courtesy of the fandom pointed at his head right now (LOL). All I can say is that I was really disappointed. THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANTED. I WANTED MORE ANGST AND YET GOOD HEARTEDNESS AND STUFF LIKE THE OUGI FROM R1. ;____________; I guess I'm happy that there's some VilettaxOugi going on, but... There are a lot of unhappy plotholes that need to be filled. Too many for my liking.

Even though I'm disappointed, I guess I can't really blame Ougi all that much. He's just an average guy, after all, and of course the fandom knows much more about Schneizel than anyone in the series, except for Kanon, pretty much. I mean, he's obviously been betrayed regarding the information he's been given. The fact that the Euphinator incident was an accident is something that not many people are aware of. And even Lelouch himself didn't admit that to Suzaku, making him seem like even more of a bad guy.

Lelouch also uses the BK as his pawns. I think he may have grown somewhat attached to them, but still, they're really just pawns. And besides- A betrayal was totally obvious, you have to admit. Half the fandom predicted it. If it wasn't Ougi betraying Zero, then it would have been one of the other Black Knights.

Edit: Sorry about my random spazzing, lol? But I really just wanted to know all thoughts regarding Ougi's betrayal. Any chance the Black Kngihts will end up feeling bad for what they've done and running straight back to Lulu? I have a feeling they will, seeing as they were stupid enough to get mindfucked by Schneizel(sp?). I also wanted to see other thoughts regarding Ougi's character development in R2 verses R1.

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[defade.livejournal.com]

If the preview is any indication, they will feel a bit bad about it. Whether be it Zero's 'betrayal', or at them losing their last chance at regaining Japan. Because, let's just face it, without Zero, the Black Knights are nothing. They're going to last a while, that's for sure, but in the end, everything is going to go down in ruins without Zero.

I'm kinda disappointed at Ougi too. I mean, weren't you the guy who went "Hey, Zero disappeared all of a sudden from the battlefield. Maybe he's in some sort of trouble himself? Go help him, Kallen!" in S1? And now you're all "OH NOES ZERO IS A PRINCE AND WE WERE JUST HIS PAWNS". I'd certainly feel betrayed if I were in his shoes, but it just seems a bit...off that Ougi didn't even give Zero the benefit of the doubt when he seems to know Zero very well in S1(plus, it's a prince of the enemy empire that's feeding him this information - I find it rather funny that both Suzkau and Ougi accepted information from a suspicious person as fact so quickly). It's pretty ironic that both Suzaku and Ougi had left Lelouch partially due to a woman they've known for just a few months. Love is...kinda scary.

[icki-akki.livejournal.com]

Oh, of course! I mean, the BK is a good hearted bunch but they're pretty stupid, minus Diethard and that Laksharta (I can't even spell her name, lol). And Diethard is only in it for Zero, while Laksharta is kind of there to be a scientist whore and mess with machines. Like a counter Lloyd.

Yeah, I know, right? I miss the understanding-ness that was Ougi in Season 1. Still, I think it's also Schneizel's presence that factors into this...? I guess it's kind of hard to explain, but other than his manipulation skills he has this way of messing with people by just... Being there, you know? Except for Lloyd maybe. But Lloyd is... Lloyd.

I couldn't help but laugh at the love comment. xD Yeah, it is. o-o But this is Sunrise and CLAMP's love child, and I can't help but feel the love bit being very... Well, CLAMP-y. Even though it is Sunrise doing all the plot work. Also, it may just be some inconsistency with the animators. They need to close the series up in a few more episodes, after all, right? I think that's probably the real reason, lol.

[furato.livejournal.com]

Euphy, to Suzaku, IMO was not just a woman he happens to fall in love with. She was also the embodiment of what he's been telling himself to believe in since the age of 10--change from within. Whether or not it's really feasible (I don't believe SAR would hold in the long run), but Euphy to Suzaku was more than a woman--she was his beacon of hope. Between her and Lelouch who's always lying and trusts no one, it's easy to not side with Lelouch.

Villetta and Ougi, I want to know how they went from "I love you!" "Shut up Eleven!" to peaceful collaborator. Will we ever get that river fall flashback? Probably not. -_-

Still, I'm not surprised that Ougi betrays Lelouch now even when he stuck with Zero to the end in S1. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Lelouch in Turn 19 was acting the way he did during the Black Rebellion--giving orders that compromise the Black Knights' position for unclear purpose (finding Nunnally--viewers know how important it is for Lelouch, but BK don't). He was showing signs of turning his back on them for the second time. And when confronted, he went along with it like he did with Suzaku. Suzaku knows him well enough to know he's lying--the BK except for Kallen don't, because Lelouch never let them know him.

The thing is that I think Lelouch had lied too much for anyone to be able to trust him at all. Lying is both Lelouch's strentgh and weakness.

[icki-akki.livejournal.com]

Hn- That's all true! *nods*

And, yeah- I was really disappointed! I wanted a fluffy river flashback. Nuuu, Sunrise, why so many plotholes? I think we will get tbe flashback eventually. It's kind of stupid to just randomly be like, "Oh! Here! And now this happens! shoves candy into face with no explanation*"