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[spleener.livejournal.com]

So Xing Ke and Kaguya are obviously calling bullshit on last episode's shenanigans- well, it's possible that they haven't been told the real story, but somehow I doubt it given their positions in the organization. While I expected this from Xing Ke, I must say, Kaguya's surprisingly smart under her usual LOL ZERO IS MAI HASBANDO ^_^ exterior. Then again it's possible that her ZERO IS MAI HASBANDO LOL attitude is what let her realize that maybe they were being hasty in passing judgement on him, since most everyone else already didn't really trust him.

On a related note, did anybody else notice that between him talking about how they should make up a story about Zero being dead and the scene later where he talks about Ougi not being right for his role Diethard got his face roughed up a bit? I suppose this is going to be like Cecile's dress in episode 8, another random thing that we're not going to find the story behind until the picture/audio dramas get there.


So did anybody else go "WELL IF YOU HAD COME TO THIS CONCLUSION ABOUT 40 FUCKING EPISODES AGO IT WOULD'VE SAVED EVERYONE A LOT OF TROUBLE" at this line?

In all honesty, though, I do like his "while preaching on about methods over results, what I really valued were ideals and aesthetics" line, he does have a point in that all this time he was failing to realize that there's a difference between what feels like the right thing to do and what actually is the right thing to do. Not to say that what he's doing right now is the right thing to do, he's obviously completely fucking snapped, which is most likely JUST AS PLANNED for Schniezel.

And Marianne's personality is about what I expected given previous information. I'm wondering if her lack of concern for her son is an 'I have confidence my son can pull his own ass out of the fire' thing or a 'screw that kid, I just care about my keikaku' thing, though. I suspect the latter (unless of course her aforementioned keikaku also involves helping him out in some way.)

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[brisent.livejournal.com]

What's needed are...results. WHO IS THE FATHER? Hmmm.

Then everyone goes crazy and blows each other up, all in the while vaporizing the world. After the zombie attack. Yeah, that's my crack theory.

[mulspar.livejournal.com]

IS THAT A PENGUIN THAT I SEE AT 00:18?

They really are going to be important to the plot. I can feel it. XDD

[susure.livejournal.com]

For me it was when Ougi spun around after praying at the portraits and talking to Kallen. Most of the time his face is drawn strangely.

[susure.livejournal.com]

and lloyd is yukito. well, in appearance!

[dorkbunny.livejournal.com]

Mm, yeah, I was really taken back by the QUALITY! of this episode too, and also how rushed everything was. However it does make me look forward to how awesome the new upcoming episodes are going to be. :3 (Or I hope, anyways.)

Something tells me that Lelouch is going to have his wish about watching fireworks with Rivals & co. granted... just not in the way that he expected and in a really, really sad way. Like... I dunno, Lulu and his Ashford buddies are all gathered together somehow and he sees them die as there are fireworks via exploding mecha in the sky. Something like that. BUT I really hope not. ;_; I'd very much rather have a happy, yay-we-all-made-it-through type firework watching with the ones that DID make it through.

Still don't know how I feel about Suzaku's 360 turn. I mean, they are somewhat on the same side now, and I've always wanted them to team up together since the Mao episode, but this way... I don't know. :\

(Not even commenting on the Anya/Marianne. xD; I'm still in wt...f?-mode about that. Just trusting that the next episode will clear things up. And yay, okaerinasai, CC!~ ♥)

[strawberrypenis.livejournal.com]

Let me start off with how I am pissed off at this episode.

WTF. Seriously Anya is Marianne? okay I refuse to believe. I think Anya is under Marianne's Geass controlling her (Anya had red rings around her eyes which is a sign she's under geass) which pisses me off the most because she is supposed to be dead! Lelouch has done all this for her and Nunnally and this bitch was alive. She should have done something much sooner to prevent this from happening. Also in this episode it made her seem like she's bad eps. with this wording "Did you think I was that ideal of a mother?". With that said I wonder what this will all lead up to.

Suzaku. It's just like what Spleener said, he's 40 episodes too late. He should have reconized this much, much sooner...say like after Euphy died? but he's stupid and I agree with tarkara he IS Syaoran (TRC has character's that look alike but can be totally different right? but that's not important.) Anyway I do support that he did try to make things better with his own beliefs, it was a nice try and tons had his back. I wish the fight he had with Bismark had lasted longer, I was so effing happy they were fighting with swords but he ran then fell into a ditch. Anyways I'm so glad he went ape shit because he is more in touch with reality (maybe).

The whole Quality thing didn't bother me much, I think they story line is what's the problem. Anyway Ougi's way is retarded even if Lulu did use the Knights, suck it up man. Schniezel plotting against his father makes me love him even more. Poor Rivalz he is probably alone at the academy. Lulu you sealed yourself with Charles, wtf master plan do you have? and finally I wish Kallen would return to Lulu's side soon. (I'm happy I saw a Penguin in this episode at least XD)

[dorkbunny.livejournal.com]

OH, and, C.C. going back to get her Cheese-kun before departing with Anyianne (Mariya?) was priceless. Too cute :3

[kuroshin.livejournal.com]

Hmm... Finally, Suzaku is off his idealism ass but I just don't like how he's become much more Lulu-like all of a sudden. Character development is not a bad thing, anyway.

Lulu being "Do as I say" person really intensifies my man-crush on him!

On a relative sidenote, Marianne is Anya? Or is it that Marianne has a geass that enables her to place her consciousness on another person, tha being Anya which Marianne did bedore she died. I dunno. As far as the Ep 20 is concerned, that's the best that I can come up with.

[vicks111.livejournal.com]

way too dumb, Syaoran at least considers SOME things before he makes mistakes

Syaoran would have given Bismark a heck of a sword fight.
In fact, if all Syaoran's got together, nobody would be able to stop them. They would tri-handedly defeat the Rebellion AND the Empire.

[vicks111.livejournal.com]

Schneizel needs more love! Seriously, though FINALLY made a stance. And we are still not sure what he might be aiming at.

"He finally made a decision"
Your words, my thoughts exactly Kanon. Especially since I actually sat down the other day to try and figure him out (waste of time, meh, but at least I was writting!), and at least I'm glad to say I got part of him down XD
...I think I'll head off and write some more... :P

I WANT SCHNEIZEL TO GO "JUST AS PLANNED" AT THE END OF GEASS...just not as bastard as certain Kiras...

And would someone PLEASE stop being condecending to Cornelia. Badass Princess needs to hear her Knight died an honorable death? Give her some credit, I still want her to cry her eyes out, especially SINCE she told VILLETA of all people that STATUS is not the most important thing, and HE'S F'ING DEAD!!! not that he will come back or anything to have an ever after with her.

Anya/Marianne: I'm going to hold off my opinion of this until the explanation is complete, and then I'll go WTF. Hey Clamp, you've at least taught me something! though C.C's comeback was laaaaame.

Orenji-kun, be your awesome knight self to your prince and go save him from Emperor-chan. That's one character I wouldn't mind seeing dying an awesome knight death from saving his charge.

[tanaiel.livejournal.com]

I think he totally thought of doing it before, it was just below him. (I think that was mentioned in an interview..? Not sure though.)

But it's not like he gives a damn anymore.

[vicks111.livejournal.com]

oh, and The Black Knights (officers) are just full of Bull. As if they weren't using Zero JUST because he gave results. That's why the Indians also supported, they were looking for results and Zero supplied; Lakshata wouldn't have seen it as treason (and Diethard was pretty much gave in the peer pressure). And Urabe, the only one that realized that Zero had changed and wasn't like that and would have DEFENDED him, died on episode 2. Tanaguchi sure likes his irony. and his last thoughts were of Lakshata, when she hasn't thought about him at all LOL

Kaguya, you are full of win. I want her to come back from Kaminejima and set in straight everyone. She sure showed pwned her supremacy over all of the officers. Kaguya/Zero new OTP (since Cornelia/Guildford is dead now T__T and if CC dies or something)

Gino, your loyalty to the Emperor deserves my respects. But, seriously? Just tag along with Schneizel (or Lulu! or become Cornelia's new knight, or something) don't waste your time on Emperor-chan.

[vicks111.livejournal.com]

gahh! I forgot about Diethard:

I guessed that Ougi beat the crap out of him for the cheap shot he pulled on Villeta (ninja meido had his ass before, but seeing as she is KIA). That's why he said: "I thought Ougi had changed, but it seems that what he likes to do is 'protect'. So, he was misplaced, after all." (or something of the sort)

In a few words, Ougi =/= leader, which was something we ALL knew. You are not very quick on the spot, Diethard. (actually reposted from another comment of mine) XDDD

[rainbow-cnxn.livejournal.com]

I'm pretty sure that the thought has crossed his mind before. But robbing his targets of free will is something that Lelouch has absolutely tried to avoid up to this point. The fact that he has taken this step shows a very important development in his character development. (i.e. Like Suzaku, he's pretty much hit rock bottom and gone "screw it all".)

[rainbow-cnxn.livejournal.com]

So did anybody else go "WELL IF YOU HAD COME TO THIS CONCLUSION ABOUT 40 FUCKING EPISODES AGO IT WOULD'VE SAVED EVERYONE A LOT OF TROUBLE" at this line?
Alas, there was no nuke 40 episodes ago. Nothing induces a change in character like massive emotional trauma upon massive emotional trauma. =Db Anyways, character development is not exactly a bad thing. And it's not like he or Zero are in the "right" or "wrong". If either of them (doesn't matter whom, really) had just given up, everyone's stories would likely have had a happier (or at least a more alive) end.

In general, the fanbase seems to preoccupy itself on trying to gauge who is comparatively more right or wrong for any given episode, when (at least to me) it's pretty clear that it's their absolute descent into wretchedness and the one-on-one nature of their conflict (regardless of moral/ethical considerations) that are what's actually important. (Sorry to go off a little on the fandom there...)

Not touching the Anya and Marianne thing because I'll be damned if I know. But her "bad mom"-meter rose significantly in this episode.

[ee970.livejournal.com]

I didn't think they told Xingke or Kaguya about Zero = Lelouch, especially after going through the trouble to show them watching the news on TV. Kaguya is a smart cookie, she could figure out that if someone is making trouble for Chaz, it's probably NANI MAI HUBBY--same as Schneizel did.

As for Marianne...I can't really hate since it means that real!CC is back, but what we've seen really doesn't seem to match with what I've heard of Marianne from her appearances in the novels, etc... I wonder if she is a "past" Marianne, much like the various CC's in her "soul room" thingie (world of C??? or is that Clovis's beach paradise island?). Either way, I think that Mary and Chaz are working together to do what they're doing... I just don't know what that is yet. @.@ At least we ought to be getting some exposition soon, hopefully Daddy and Lulu's family bonding...

[fox-holland.livejournal.com]

Fuck yeah , Urabe.

[tanzentravis.livejournal.com]

"In general, the fanbase seems to preoccupy itself on trying to gauge who is comparatively more right or wrong for any given episode, when (at least to me) it's pretty clear that it's their absolute descent into wretchedness and the one-on-one nature of their conflict (regardless of moral/ethical considerations) that are what's actually important. (Sorry to go off a little on the fandom there...)"

THANK YOU. That's what I've been thinking and wanting to say for a while but I didn't quite know how to say it. Neither side is right OR wrong, they're both goin' batshits. Kinda.

[defade.livejournal.com]

We know close to nothing about Marianne so it's hard to predict what type of person she is and what she's planning to do, other than helping Lelouch out in some way. What I want to know is what's going to happen to Anya? Marianne took over her body, but does that make Anya lost? To be honest, I found the whole scene pretty cheap, or at least, very rushed. Especially with C.C. getting her memories back.

Exactly why I'm so disappointed with this episode. The pacing is just plain weird, it's like them trying to throw some new materials in at random intervals for a nice build-up episode, but in the end the timing of Marianne's appearance and CC oh-so-suddenly getting her memories back(it's not like I expected anything epic if she DID get them back, but I pictured something more...poignant than "Oh hey there CC you lost your memories? Stop screwing around and come back then.") kinda ruined the whole thing. And then there's the Suzaku teleportation from point A to point B, the whole thing just felt...too messed up.

[mikoto-chan13.livejournal.com]

Schneizel was also drawn pretty strangely. I really hope they're just saving budget for better eps, because the strange animation totally distracts me -_-;;

[nekroskoma.livejournal.com]

your icon is win

that is all

[haphazard-mind.livejournal.com]

Did anyone else notice the obvious art style change, and different background music at certain parts throughout the episode?

And no, Lelouch was also drawn differently. They all were.

[eire-endellion.livejournal.com]

I don't like how his 'results' view now is really similar to how Lulu is

I agree. I dun like how he's just turned into Lulu now D= It makes me sad. Which is why R1!Suzaku is always going to be more awesome than R2!Suzaku =D

[ee970.livejournal.com]

I do my best :3

[spleener.livejournal.com]

Also, was Marianne inside Anya all along? Or is she actually Anya?

Given that Marianne-Anya has the same eyes that people being affected by Rolo or Lulu's Geasses have, I'm guessing that her Geass is to basically possess people. Or maybe it's more like that Marianne's become Anya's second personality through the Geass? Regardless, Anya's probably just some poor random noble girl who wound up being the target for Marianne's Geass. Though at the same time I suppose that maybe Anya's piloting skills could come from having Marianne inside her, so I suppose that the relationship isn't entirely parasitic.

Still though, I LOL at the thought of this happening:

Marianya: So the whole secret to everything that you need to know to stop Charles and/or Schniezel is-
Orange: hay guyz wutz goin on here *canceler*
Anya: ...what am I doing here?
Everyone else: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF