Well, after watching the final episode 3 times and still crying about it... I am just curious on people's thought, reading the first discussion thread for the final episode [the one with over 600 replies ^^;;;], seems like most people think that the ending sucks or sunrise screw up CG!? [or it could just be because it is still spoiler time that most people haven't watched and understood the whole event of happening] 

Here's my 2 cents about CG R2 in regard mainly toward Lelouch!?

I would admit that it is till the final episode, till everything wrapped up in such a beautiful, sad ending that I understood Lulu.  Since the start of R2, I had my doubt of his behavior... his way of thinking always seems so extreme that there were many points in times, I [and as well the world of Code Geass] didn't agree with his action.  To me, he seems to have changed from the kind-hearted and logical sense in Season 1 to a cold-hearted and "Why don't you see those people [who care] around you??" of R2.   He changed to a person that draw in people to dislike his action, and yet all those action are only a mask that he put forth! As he screamed at Rolo... "how much he dislike him, how many times he want to kill him" [which those are true] BUT the moment when Rolo was trying to save him and overusing his geass which would lead to his death... he screamed back without a second thought, "Your heart can't withstand it and you will die.  STOP USING THE GEASS"!!  Under the mask of his cold-hearted self still lie his kind-heart that has never changed.

When Nunnally was under hostile, despite knowing how much Suzaku has been waiting for the chance to expose him as Zero, he put down the mask and face him.  Despite it was an accident in geassing Euphie for the masscre, he never put in any excuse and accepted the fault and the sin all upon himself.  When Nunnally turned against him and rejected his action and misunderstood him as being such a despisable,  coward and cold-blooded murderer; all behind those mask, only lie a soft-heart that want to give a simple/peaceful world to Nunnally himself as his motivation since the beginning.  Setting up himself to be hated by everyone in the world, tainted himself with blood of sacrifice, making himself to be the sole ruler and most sinful person in the world... and in the end carrying out the plan of "Zero Requiem" for his own death to shine a future of hope to the whole world.

It is true he has never changed since the beginning.  His goal, his motivation, he stays true to the path he believe in...

Without a doubt, CG R2 is indeed a mess after the initial "death" of Nunnally, but I believe the ending wrapped up Code Geass quite nicely and is one terrific classic!!!  It is a sad ending and yet it also has the subtle happiness for the ending.  Lelouch finally is able to accomplish what he started off even though that mean carry alone all the hate upon him and sacrifice himself.  Lelouch is free from the burden of the sin, geass-nature, misunderstanding, the continuation of the war and the world.

And yes, I know it is an open end that it COULD mean Lelouch is still alive with the whole CC's speech in the end ^.~ But nevertheless, Lelouch is the boy who has been fighting this battle all alone and is ready to get himself killed just to seek a peaceful world for Nunnally and for everyone!! *sigh*
Date/Time: 2008-09-29 13:06 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] e-eleniel.livejournal.com
I guess what made so many people -including me- rage is that after everything Lulu sacrificed the producers didn't give him any moments of acknowledgement of his actions, that he in fact was the 'virgin sacrifice' as stated above. Maybe, if we had seen more other than how Nunally cried her heart out for him, or how Kallen kept his memory in her heart after understnading what he was doing... Maybe we could at least be given the ppl's reactions who knew him a little more clearly. I would die to hear a monologue from Suzaku, maybe not a forgiving one, but a thanking one. -LOL, I wonder how he will stay sane after adding the murder of his best friend on his father's murder... Such a heavy burden.-

What I am trying to say is that even the worst of the tragic heros needs some back patting, some acknowledgement on the things they suffered. Nunally and Kallen's reactions, even suzaku's tears were not enough for me...

I would very much love to believe that Lulu is alive, that he is the cart rider, but if Sunrise would wanted us to believe that they would have given us another close up of the rider, even if we couldn't see his face, that paper crane would be by his side, not C.C...

Then again, what happened to the LL's promise to CC? If leading a silent life at the countryside was to bring happiness to her, she would already be there, not beside LL...

I want an OVA, a pic Drama, a sound episode, anything that would prove us these crazy theories of LL being alive true. Yes, The Emperor had to die, but not Lelouch Lamperougue... Heroic, epic or not... He didn't deserve to have an end like this, hated by all, killed by his best friend, seperated from everything he held dear... No one deserves this, after losing so many things, after taking the blame of everthing willingly on himself, his name set to be remembered forever with hatred and curses.

Is wanting him alive a vain wish on my part?
Date/Time: 2008-09-29 13:50 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] kimchiburger.livejournal.com
I agree. I think I would have felt a lot better if the world or at least more people from the main cast acknowledged his suffering. I mean, it is Lelouch's intention to go down in history as the worst villain in the world, but I would have liked to see the Black Knights kind of appreciate him in retrospect (and feel very guilty ooooooh).
Date/Time: 2008-09-29 17:21 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] sevetenks.livejournal.com
Him getting the back patting and a lot of people realizing what he did would kind of defeat the purpose of making everyone hate him in the first place. \O_o/
Date/Time: 2008-09-29 17:24 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] e-eleniel.livejournal.com
I didn't mean Lulu being applauded as a hero by masses... I only wanted to see more closure from the side of the characters whom I care, ie. some of the black knights, his friends back at school, a few words from Suzaku and Nunally; Kallen's didn't seem enough. Whatever.
Date/Time: 2008-09-29 21:09 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] paperpieces.livejournal.com
I agree about the whole no acknowledgment thing. But I don't think he's really dead. :P I bawww'd big time cuz I didn't think it was fair that he was going to die for society because I really didn't think that they deserved his sacrifice for them. But then of course he did it for more than just society in general, he did it for his friends and sister and whatnot. So while I don't like it, I accept it because that was how Lelouch wanted it to be. In a way I guess he is "dead" because now he can't ever go back to his normal life or see any of his friends or sister ever again.

As for why I don't think he's dead. Orenji was saying a while back that he wouldn't... or couldn't kill a member of the royal family. So all of a sudden, why would he go and assist someone else in doing it? He didn't seem to put up much of a fight against Zerozaku and even kinda smirked as he hopped on his shoulder. There were some other things too, but I'm too lazy to really get into it. :P
Date/Time: 2008-09-29 21:20 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] e-eleniel.livejournal.com
Oh... As you say, there are too many things to add to the theories that Lulu could be alive. I am still in denial to keep my sanity intact XD Jeremiah's attitude struct me, too... He even was smiling when Suzaku drew his sword back -how I hated him when he whipped that damnable sword clean off of the blood, as if Lelouch's blood was a dirty-vile thing...-

Yet there was so much blood... Bawww! there was black rings under his eyes just like Rolo's... Ahhhh! And he really seemed welcoming his death, even seemed sad as he said "I destroy worlds, I create worlds..." What an epic line...

Sunrise should just stop being a bitch and give ppl what they want with at least an extended re-cut of 25 in Bluerays, showing us a peek of dear Lulu to assure that he is well and alive...

So unjust...

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