Episode 18 Discussion?

[nayami.livejournal.com]

You know, I reached the point of my Geass watching where I crave discussion. Sadly I cannot convince any of my buddies to watch the series with me so I was hoping we could establish a regular episode commentary here. I'm most interested in 18 for now since a lot happened in a short span of time, and I thought it would fun to gather some opinions on the matter. I also think it might be fun to evaluate the paths of Lelouch and Suzaku. Surfing the Japanese fanart sites the other night, I encountered many pics comparing the boys' young and then older selves (Yay, my Geass fanart count is almost 700 now). So yeah let's toss up theories for anything and everything regarding the story so far.

Also, is this more of something I should try for after the subtitled versions are released?



My love for Suzaku grows as he continues his bull-headed drive to change Britannia from within. Watching him pursue his fight with Zero, even when he knew Britannia was firing missiles at their location, was so tragic. And Lelouch, who knows what an obstacle Suzaku is but can't bring himself to take the quickest route to dealing with him. I read on the anime blogs that Lelouch was going to geass Suzaku to save himself before the missiles hit. While this is probably true, I prefer the more optimistic view that Lelouch was also trying to save Suzaku in the process. Lelouch has still yet to show which is more important: his revenge or the only people who've ever represented family to him. I say this because he hasn't really been put to the test. This would be the first time, but the fact that both were in a life or death situation tilts the scale a bit. Then we have Suzaku, who doesn't know who Zero is. Someone said Zero was set on eliminating on the Lancelot pilot but was forced back to Lelouch when he learned it was Suzaku. So it remains to be seen whether Suzaku's steadfast devotion to his peace will override his loyalty to his friend once he learns who Zero is. The first picture drama has Lelouch calling Suzaku his worst enemy. While I fear this eventuality because I enjoy the relationship between the boys, I'm curious to see how it will come about. I would hope that the eventually end up working together, but it does not seem to be in Geass' nature.

On that note, I have this feeling either Suzaku or Lelouch might "die" in the break between the series. I foresee a vicious confrontation between the two over something akin to the typical rival/best friend battles.

Diethard scares the shit out of me, and I see him as causing a major problem for Lelouch in the near future. I think he might make another attempt to off Suzaku. I think if anyone takes him out of the picture, it will be Kallen. The two seem to have the greatest respect for Zero, but both have entirely different views of what Zero is. While Kallen wants the leader, Diethard wants the bloodthirsty revolutionist. Now that I've seen Kallen willing to risk everything for Zero, I wonder how she and Suzaku will fair during the island arc. Will she try to win over Suzaku as Zero tried?

I am really tired of any storyline with Nina. I already know it's going to be crappy so I don't care. Shirley, on the other hand, I'm interested in since she knows who Zero is and has knowledge he killed her father. I also fear they're going to butcher any potential Jeremiah had with his new form.

I've read mixed reviews about how Nunnally feels about Suzaku's new position so I'd like a consensus.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you, I also think he´s trying to stick to his morals while within the system. Problem is, episode 18 made many people wonder if he would actually go against britannia. I believe he would, and that he only decided to go with the plan (in episode 18) and kill himself along with zero because zero was a threat.

About your "new him he´s creating" I´m worried about that. Because, like lelouch said, he is sacrificing himself more and more and I worry that in the future he might trully die.

[thomasvye.livejournal.com]

He's gone against Brittania's orders before as well, when he refused to shoot civilian Lelouch in the (second?) episode. The people who are saying he would never oppose Britannia are mostly just rabid Lelouch fans desperate to bash Suzaku for anything and everything because he's proved an immensly effective opposition. The rabid Lelouch fans don't like the obstacles in his way and they don't like to dwell on his own (considerable) part in his own failures. ;))

Suzaku might die in pursuit of his ideal, but he needs to do what he's doing. As usual with this show, it's ironic that Lelouch should be trying to persuade him to stop doing it in some way when Lelouch won't let go of and is a product of the past himself.

[(Anonymous)]

First episode (his "death" almost mad eme give up the show XD) and...can I hug you? Cause it´s been a long time since I see a fan who doesn´t feel irritaed with suzaku as well XD

The people who are against him forget that up until episode 17, zero would have done the same thing as suzaku if suzaku tried to make him change. Lelouch was also preparing for his death in episode 17! Some people just need someone to hate

I don´t want him to die, ideals or not XD! Yes, what lelouch did was ironic, but unavoidable if he truly believes in what he´s doing.

[thomasvye.livejournal.com]

^-^ Lol, you may hug; I have Suzaku thing on my mobile and I chose it over Lelouch. Tee hee. ^-^ I like Suzaku, I think he's a bit of a charmer.

You should have seen the state I got in over poor Orange kun! XD Well, he deserves at least one fan to worry over him. ;)

I've commented before on the lengths to which the rabid Lelouch fans will go to justify everything he does like he's spotless. The interesting thing about Code Geass is that nobody is!

[(Anonymous)]

yay(hugs) suzaku thing...(steals it and drools over it). He does look like a charmer, problem is, some of his images make him look(to me) like a boy charmer XD (I support luluXsuzaku huhuhu)

I think nobody worried over him because nobody imagined orange-kun´s death XD

True, code geass is interesting because nobody is perfect, and they don´t exactly have to be right to be nice. The rabid fans need a vilain, they find poor suzaku who goes against the main character(who, for some reason, has to be someone perfect and always correct)