Currently not at home and I’m using my mother’s laptop. I was unable to take screenshots. I apologize! I’ll add them on Monday/Tuesday.

Episode 3 Discussion!

Finally we understand why Lelouch has such distaste for Britannia. Clovis tries to talk Lelouch into returning with him but Lelouch is certain that, if he does, he’ll be taken advantage of and used for political gain. But Lelouch’s main reason for approaching Clovis is about his mother’s death. After not getting much of an answer out of Clovis besides hysteria and claiming he didn’t do it Lelouch finally uses his Geass on his half-brother only to find out that Clovis doesn’t know much about that day and gives us two new names in the Britannia family: Schneizel and Cornelia. And, just like Lelouch, after getting the information he needs he’s completely done with you. Bwah! Poor Clovis. I wish we had more time getting to know his character because he seemed such short lived. Did anyone else notice Lelouch’s full red eye? Does that ever happen again; because I don’t remember him ever being able to “end” his Geass spell to return the person back to themselves. Even later in the episode when he finishes asking Kallen about why she’s a terrorist his eye doesn’t repeat that same action. I wonder if it was something Sunrise thought about using and then decided it wasn’t worth keeping it around.

So back to normal school life. Being VP of the student council must be hard work! Lelouch doesn’t seem to do much haha. It is nice to see Lelouch as a normal student and not the killer he became the night before, but it does seem to have gotten to him. After watching part of a news broadcast and avoiding Shirley’s curiousity he almost throws up. It’s just as Lelouch has said: His nerves aren’t cut out for this just yet. And, what a coincidence, the terrorist girl that he helped is actually a student that attends Ashford! Immediately he knows he has to confront her, but he has the anonymity of Geass. Too bad for Lelouch, but great for us: we find out that he can only use his power once. Nice awkward moment between him and Kallen—immediately she suspects him. I mean, how would he know about Shinjuku? Why tell her not to say anything about it?

C’mon, Lelouch. The terrorist you helped were semi-advanced, right? They had their own Knightmare, right? You’re telling her to do something that requires little to no common sense. Only an idiot would mention Shinjuku—and what’s more, Lelouch, her “school character” is obviously totally different from whom she really is. I think this part is hilarious because anyone would be smart enough not to mention Shinjuku. If anything Lelouch was the stupid one lol. He mentioned Shinjuku! Granted, he thought that Geass would save him again.

Yay, Nunnally is so cute. It’s refreshing to see Lelouch and his sister together. He cares so much about her… He’s willing to lie to anyone but her, how sweet. But also somewhat naïve… But I guess his motivation is to create a world for Nunnally to be safe in. Also, we find out that the girl with green hair from the first episode was an experiment. Apparently she’s been around a while (judging by a WWII-like image). It can’t get out that they were running experiments on that girl which must mean that she is important in some way.

The rest of the episode seems to focus around Lelouch and Kallen and the whole Shinjuku incident. Is that him? I can’t tell from a memory. If it is him… blah blah blah.

Anyways, we do get to see the side of Lelouch that is great with planning. He just knows what that person is most likely to do. The whole bathroom scene is a perfect example. How did he know Kallen was going to try to make him stay? How did he get it down right? If she didn’t stop him would he try to buy time? My question is why the phone in the bathroom? How would you explain that? When the knife came out I got the impression that Lelouch didn’t really plan for that but nevertheless everything played out in his favor…

And the bastard got to see a nice view of Kallen.

Oh, and Lelouch. It seems Suzaku is still alive! And they’re charging him for the murder of Clovis. What are you going to do, Lelouch!
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Date/Time: 2010-11-19 07:07 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] megalomaniageek.livejournal.com
TBH, I think the only logical answer to all of this is basically "Sunrise fucked up and none of this made any sense whatsoever"

*siiiiigh* Yeah, probably.
See, I could've actually bought Charles being in on it if they had set it up or if it was only him telling this to Lelouch, but the thing that drives Charles and V.V. apart - what makes him kill V.V. and take his code, what makes him sadly accuse his brother of breaking their pact - was the Marianne incident and cover-up. Kinda important.
Sunrise done fucked up.
Date/Time: 2010-11-19 07:12 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] snowdevil-crow.livejournal.com
Turn 21 was basically just twenty minutes of "WTF" and "QUALITY" ending with overwhelming chanting. The ending of it was really just Sunrise's way of trying to make the audience stop thinking about what the hell just happened and how on earth it was supposed to make sense and just go with the flow of cheering.
Date/Time: 2010-11-19 08:23 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] kusaja.livejournal.com
The way I see it, both Turn 21 and a few of the surrounding episodes (or, more to the point, several of their scenes) all come across like glorified summaries and somewhat disjointed recaps of what was supposed to happen.

In this particular case...instead of explaining something in, say, two or three episodes they pushed everything into just one and didn't mind taking any shortcuts in the process.

All of the practical details don't necessarily make perfect sense,no, but the general ideas involved do follow a certain logical pattern from the point of view of the creators, which can be more or less reconstructed.

Generally speaking, I don't assume that the staff didn't put at least some genuine thought into things. Say, there are mild but clearly intentional pieces of foreshadowing for a few of the things that happened in R2 21 itself, throughout the second season. It just wasn't nearly enough to cover all of the necessary ground.

Because of whatever factors...the staff chose to compromise, didn't have enough time to edit the scripts into something workable in X number of episodes and failed to keep all of the details straight in the process, things didn't work out as well as they should have.
Date/Time: 2010-11-19 18:14 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] snowdevil-crow.livejournal.com
Yeah, I could definitely go with it being a result of shitty compromise. I do think at least some of it was foreshadowed, but there were also things that were foreshadowed that just... didn't go anywhere. Like Suzaku's connection to Geass, or that thing with CC's impression of a cliffside sea village... also, how old is VV supposed to be, when and where did he get his Geass and later the Code, and what about the rest of the Code-bearers? There have to be more of them. SO MUCH POTENTIAL WASTED ;_;

R2 should really have been 50 episodes rather than 25. Or, hell, they could have spread it into three seasons! I would have gone for that, if they stopped with the shitty animation.
Date/Time: 2010-11-19 19:33 (UTC)Posted by: [identity profile] kusaja.livejournal.com
I was specifically referring to foreshadowing during the second season itself, mind you, but I also share your frustration about those other plot points from season one being left behind.

It's always been a pet peeve of mine that Code Geass didn't get the chance to have a sequel movie like Gundam 00 did. Say what you will about that film, but at the very least the staff were able to wrap up a couple of loose threads and subplots in it. If R2's Zero Requiem arc was made into a movie and those four or five episodes had been used to smooth things out instead, the result would have been quite a bit better. Oh well.

Nonetheless...I do think there are still other opportunities to elaborate on C.C.'s past and even Geass-related affairs in general, such as the history of Code-bearers, depending on how the Code Geass property develops in the future. It's not unlikely that some questions may eventually be answered at a later time.

For example, as crazy and as blatantly "shounen fighting" as the current Renya manga is right now, sooner or later it might provide some useful information. It's also not impossible that the upcoming Code Geass Gaiden, despite its apparent focus on military affairs, won't try to indirectly address other forgotten aspects of the overall story.

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