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sumeragiskank.livejournal.com in code_geassI seriously loved this episode and all of the great Lloyd and Suzaku moments in it. But I'm kinda scratching my head after reading some reactions to it that make no sense to me. I've not been very involved in Geass fandom and am rather shocked at some of the prevailing attitudes ^^;;;
I'm rather confused as to why everyone thinks Nunally has been brainwashed by Suzaku. After all, he's not the one who actually uses an evil brainwashing power to murder people. That's Lelouch. He's never used someone important to him as a political tool. Again, that's Lelouch. And if you want to argue that he used Lelouch, I think he had more than enough right to do so after Lelouch murdered Euphie and completely fucked over his country and plans for peace.
I'm glad to see Nunally taking some initiative and for them to develop her character more. I also am eagerly awaiting to see her reaction to learning Lelouch is Zero. I was glad she told him he was wrong. Because he is. And I do not think that, even as much as she loves her brother, she is going to take very kindly to the knowledge that he has been murdering people left and right and committing all sorts of atrocities all in her name. She'll likely be horrified and so far, no Britannian telling her has been a mercy. Lelouch has made this bed for himself and he seems awfully upset that now he has to lie in it. Poor baby. This is me feeling completely not sorry for him.
I like Lelouch as a character, but I hold no illusions that he's a nice person in the least. He puts selfish goals ahead of the plight of an entire nation of downtrodden people, nevermind lying to, manipulating, and using people who honestly care for him. Along with murdering family members and innocent people in cold blood and all of that. I don't think the ends ever justify the means, and while he had good intentions at some point - is he now going to fuck over Nunally for his own goals and ego or will he let her lead her own life - I think Lelouch's pretty far along on his trip to hell. I jiust don't understand why everything Suzaku does wrong is picked apart and held against him while Lelouch's various crimes, which are a much much much much longer list, are immediately forgiven. I understand that he's the main character and all, but I just can't give him that leeway and have to hold him to the same standards as every other character.
I'm rather confused as to why everyone thinks Nunally has been brainwashed by Suzaku. After all, he's not the one who actually uses an evil brainwashing power to murder people. That's Lelouch. He's never used someone important to him as a political tool. Again, that's Lelouch. And if you want to argue that he used Lelouch, I think he had more than enough right to do so after Lelouch murdered Euphie and completely fucked over his country and plans for peace.
I'm glad to see Nunally taking some initiative and for them to develop her character more. I also am eagerly awaiting to see her reaction to learning Lelouch is Zero. I was glad she told him he was wrong. Because he is. And I do not think that, even as much as she loves her brother, she is going to take very kindly to the knowledge that he has been murdering people left and right and committing all sorts of atrocities all in her name. She'll likely be horrified and so far, no Britannian telling her has been a mercy. Lelouch has made this bed for himself and he seems awfully upset that now he has to lie in it. Poor baby. This is me feeling completely not sorry for him.
I like Lelouch as a character, but I hold no illusions that he's a nice person in the least. He puts selfish goals ahead of the plight of an entire nation of downtrodden people, nevermind lying to, manipulating, and using people who honestly care for him. Along with murdering family members and innocent people in cold blood and all of that. I don't think the ends ever justify the means, and while he had good intentions at some point - is he now going to fuck over Nunally for his own goals and ego or will he let her lead her own life - I think Lelouch's pretty far along on his trip to hell. I jiust don't understand why everything Suzaku does wrong is picked apart and held against him while Lelouch's various crimes, which are a much much much much longer list, are immediately forgiven. I understand that he's the main character and all, but I just can't give him that leeway and have to hold him to the same standards as every other character.
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Quick notes before work
2. Yes, Suzaku is completely justified for almost anything he does. He sees Lelouch as an insane murderer, has no reason not to and has to protect those he still can.
3. Lelouch does not use people close to him. Rollo is not close to him; he doesn't like Rollo. I do hope he's rethinking at the moment because Rollo didn't have to bail his ass out there. The Shirley thing is debatable but he ensured she would not be hurt.
4. This version of Nunnally is also appealing to me, and I am intrigued by the idealogy clash between the siblings. We already knew from the drama CDs that Euphie and Nunnally were very similar.
5. I too want Nunnally's reaction to Lelouch being Zero because I think she's the only person who can make him see reason right now. I admit he's killing more than he usually does and while I do not justify it, I also think it's a direct result of being so mentally fucked up right now. A whole year living someone else's life and then waking up to find the very thing you value more than existence so far away from you, literally and figuratively. He's not operating on full capacity. Nunnally fucks him up. Still yeah, I was pissed when he killed the doctors. Autopilot!Lelouch is a real bastard.
6. While Lelouch did use Japan in S1, he did so, intending to still give them their results, as he tells Kallen. I think in R2, he has shown he is more sincere about his supporters' actual plight. But no, the Black Knights should not have so readily forgave him. That was retarded.
7. LELOUCH WOULD NEVER FUCK OVER NUNNALLY. Lelouch could have taken Nunnally at the end of Turn 6 if his goals superseded hers. He deliberately waited, and that's why he lost. His conflict. Lelouch does sincerely love Nunnally, and he is pretty damn crazy. I don't think his methods should be agreed with, but he is right that there is very little way to protect Nunnally if Britannia stands. He is also right to fear her being used as a political too, with the Emperor around.
8. Both boys have their crimes. Both boys have their own mindsets. Both are fascinating, and I detest seeing defenses for one that twist facts to bash the other. Love whichever one you want or both but don't confuse the other for the sake of your support.