Question about reactions to ep 6

[sumeragiskank.livejournal.com]

I seriously loved this episode and all of the great Lloyd and Suzaku moments in it. But I'm kinda scratching my head after reading some reactions to it that make no sense to me. I've not been very involved in Geass fandom and am rather shocked at some of the prevailing attitudes ^^;;;



I'm rather confused as to why everyone thinks Nunally has been brainwashed by Suzaku. After all, he's not the one who actually uses an evil brainwashing power to murder people. That's Lelouch. He's never used someone important to him as a political tool. Again, that's Lelouch. And if you want to argue that he used Lelouch, I think he had more than enough right to do so after Lelouch murdered Euphie and completely fucked over his country and plans for peace.

I'm glad to see Nunally taking some initiative and for them to develop her character more. I also am eagerly awaiting to see her reaction to learning Lelouch is Zero. I was glad she told him he was wrong. Because he is. And I do not think that, even as much as she loves her brother, she is going to take very kindly to the knowledge that he has been murdering people left and right and committing all sorts of atrocities all in her name. She'll likely be horrified and so far, no Britannian telling her has been a mercy. Lelouch has made this bed for himself and he seems awfully upset that now he has to lie in it. Poor baby. This is me feeling completely not sorry for him.

I like Lelouch as a character, but I hold no illusions that he's a nice person in the least. He puts selfish goals ahead of the plight of an entire nation of downtrodden people, nevermind lying to, manipulating, and using people who honestly care for him. Along with murdering family members and innocent people in cold blood and all of that. I don't think the ends ever justify the means, and while he had good intentions at some point - is he now going to fuck over Nunally for his own goals and ego or will he let her lead her own life - I think Lelouch's pretty far along on his trip to hell. I jiust don't understand why everything Suzaku does wrong is picked apart and held against him while Lelouch's various crimes, which are a much much much much longer list, are immediately forgiven. I understand that he's the main character and all, but I just can't give him that leeway and have to hold him to the same standards as every other character.

Comments

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

Um.

I have to disagree with you. While Lulu may not be the most morally correct person out there, it's not like he goes around Sweeney Todd-ing people in the dark of the night. :/

He understands the one law of the world: You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty.

For every movement that had peaceful resistance, there was violent resistance as well. More often than not, it was the violent resistance that turned the tide. And I think we can all agree that Britannia is a country that NEEDS to be overthrown--What Lelocuh appears to be doing seems like more of a moral goal than many of the Britannian's goals.

BUT, Lelouch does use people as pawns for his own goal--of creating a peaceful world for Nunnally. He has learned, somewhat, that his actions will cause death to innocents, but he even said in his own words "I will continue to spill blood, so the blood that has already been spilled was not in vain."

And he does not always tell people to kill themselves with his Geass "Ignore us" "Forget everything odd about us" "I'd like to have your Knightmare?" anyone? Usually, when he orders people to kill themselves with his geass, it's when he needs to prevent his plan being found out, or when he's in an emotional state.

Lelouch, while sometimes giving us a questionable view of his sanity--is doing something that happens all the time in our world--He's WAGING A WAR. In order to wage a successful rebellion like he is, you NEED to be as ruthless as possible. The type of warfare he is using--guerrilla tactics, while effective and pretty much their only option--do not give for taking prisoners. That's just the way it is. :/

And why do people side with Lelouch over Suzaku? Because it's called "Lelouch of the Rebellion" not "Suzaku of Britannia". That, and Lelouch is a more interesting character than Suzaku--up until R2, anyway.

[jusrecht.livejournal.com]

That, and Lelouch is a more interesting character than Suzaku--up until R2, anyway. -> This, I think is fairly subjective because in all honesty, I find Suzaku a lot more interesting than Lelouch. But I agree that we can differ in this point ^^