Question about reactions to ep 6

[sumeragiskank.livejournal.com]

I seriously loved this episode and all of the great Lloyd and Suzaku moments in it. But I'm kinda scratching my head after reading some reactions to it that make no sense to me. I've not been very involved in Geass fandom and am rather shocked at some of the prevailing attitudes ^^;;;



I'm rather confused as to why everyone thinks Nunally has been brainwashed by Suzaku. After all, he's not the one who actually uses an evil brainwashing power to murder people. That's Lelouch. He's never used someone important to him as a political tool. Again, that's Lelouch. And if you want to argue that he used Lelouch, I think he had more than enough right to do so after Lelouch murdered Euphie and completely fucked over his country and plans for peace.

I'm glad to see Nunally taking some initiative and for them to develop her character more. I also am eagerly awaiting to see her reaction to learning Lelouch is Zero. I was glad she told him he was wrong. Because he is. And I do not think that, even as much as she loves her brother, she is going to take very kindly to the knowledge that he has been murdering people left and right and committing all sorts of atrocities all in her name. She'll likely be horrified and so far, no Britannian telling her has been a mercy. Lelouch has made this bed for himself and he seems awfully upset that now he has to lie in it. Poor baby. This is me feeling completely not sorry for him.

I like Lelouch as a character, but I hold no illusions that he's a nice person in the least. He puts selfish goals ahead of the plight of an entire nation of downtrodden people, nevermind lying to, manipulating, and using people who honestly care for him. Along with murdering family members and innocent people in cold blood and all of that. I don't think the ends ever justify the means, and while he had good intentions at some point - is he now going to fuck over Nunally for his own goals and ego or will he let her lead her own life - I think Lelouch's pretty far along on his trip to hell. I jiust don't understand why everything Suzaku does wrong is picked apart and held against him while Lelouch's various crimes, which are a much much much much longer list, are immediately forgiven. I understand that he's the main character and all, but I just can't give him that leeway and have to hold him to the same standards as every other character.

Comments

[ketchupblood.livejournal.com]

...I think we have different definitions of 'working outside the system.'

Um. My point was more that he was willing to sacrifice a childhood friend's happiness for the sake of his goal. But yes, you can interpret it as you said. You can also interpret it as I think, which is that Suzaku's just having a hard time reconciling the fact that Lelouch 'doesn't remember' being Zero. xD

a;sdlkfj But you can't really blame him for that.

Euphie's plan, I think. Not Suzaku's. That whole idea was a little too 'ideal world' for me, but yes, you could say that. I still say you can't really blame Lelouch for its failure, though. He wanted it to work too.

[rkold.livejournal.com]

But Lelouch is the direct cause of the plan failing. It might seem to "ideal world" for you, but it would have worked.


And yeah, I can blame Lelouch for that. He saw with Mao for the potential for him to lose control of his geass and I believe he had at least one conversation with CC regarding that possibility before he geass'ed Euphie. Lelouch is the one with the magic mind control power.

Are you talking about Lelouch there or Suzaku cause ummm Lelouch sacrificed Suzaku's happiness. Suzaku states several times in episode 05 he wants to continue to watch Lelouch but the whole reason he is there is he thinks Lelouch got his memories back. I don't think my interpretation is really pushing it that much.

[ketchupblood.livejournal.com]

Heh, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.