Question about reactions to ep 6

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I seriously loved this episode and all of the great Lloyd and Suzaku moments in it. But I'm kinda scratching my head after reading some reactions to it that make no sense to me. I've not been very involved in Geass fandom and am rather shocked at some of the prevailing attitudes ^^;;;



I'm rather confused as to why everyone thinks Nunally has been brainwashed by Suzaku. After all, he's not the one who actually uses an evil brainwashing power to murder people. That's Lelouch. He's never used someone important to him as a political tool. Again, that's Lelouch. And if you want to argue that he used Lelouch, I think he had more than enough right to do so after Lelouch murdered Euphie and completely fucked over his country and plans for peace.

I'm glad to see Nunally taking some initiative and for them to develop her character more. I also am eagerly awaiting to see her reaction to learning Lelouch is Zero. I was glad she told him he was wrong. Because he is. And I do not think that, even as much as she loves her brother, she is going to take very kindly to the knowledge that he has been murdering people left and right and committing all sorts of atrocities all in her name. She'll likely be horrified and so far, no Britannian telling her has been a mercy. Lelouch has made this bed for himself and he seems awfully upset that now he has to lie in it. Poor baby. This is me feeling completely not sorry for him.

I like Lelouch as a character, but I hold no illusions that he's a nice person in the least. He puts selfish goals ahead of the plight of an entire nation of downtrodden people, nevermind lying to, manipulating, and using people who honestly care for him. Along with murdering family members and innocent people in cold blood and all of that. I don't think the ends ever justify the means, and while he had good intentions at some point - is he now going to fuck over Nunally for his own goals and ego or will he let her lead her own life - I think Lelouch's pretty far along on his trip to hell. I jiust don't understand why everything Suzaku does wrong is picked apart and held against him while Lelouch's various crimes, which are a much much much much longer list, are immediately forgiven. I understand that he's the main character and all, but I just can't give him that leeway and have to hold him to the same standards as every other character.

Comments

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Personally, I don't think Nunally has been brainwashed by Suzaku or anyone. Suzaku don't use any power like Lelouch for his goal or for kill peoples or for obligated them to do something he wants, but he's not better than him. I mean, now, in the R2, Suzaku becomes a little like Lelouch. Now, what he wants is to avenge Euphemia, like Lelouch wants to avenge his sister. I love them both, but I don't think Lelouch is bad and Suzaku good. For me, they're not. Lelouch's methods are too radical but Suzaku's methods aren't enough. They have their qualities and their defaults so that's why they're not perfect. However, I don't think the ends justify the means, but I don't think change a country from the inside without any violence is possible. Humans use violence every day, it's the human nature and we never will can erase it. Also, I understand Suzaku who "use" Nunally for see if Lelouch becomes Zero like before. Zero has killed Euphie and destroy his plans for peace, so he has the right to do it.

I think Nunally becomes like Euphemia, but with littles differences. Now she take initiatives and her character is more developed than before so I'm happy. Now, Nunally know Lelouch is Zero. I don't know how she'll react to this, because she thinks Zero is wrong but Lelouch is her brother, and she likes him a lot. But he has killed a lot of peoples, Clovis and Euphemia ( although she don't know that was an accident ) but... I don't think she can hates him. She can hates Zero, like Suzaku, but not hate the person who is her brother, a good person who cares about her and his friends. If one day she knows Lelouch is Zero just for her, for make a beautiful country without any discrimanation and war where she can opens her eyes again...( even if his methods are too radical ) I guess she will be drepessed because she'll think it's his entire fault, but is not. Moroever, he said he can't lie to Nunnaly when he has her on telephone, but it's wrong. He has lie to her a lot, he never said something about Zero.

Really, Lelouch is a good person. He loves his friends, take care about them and enjoy their company, like any adolescent. But when he's Zero, he's totally different. I don't know if Zero is the real Lelouch, or an another part of his personality... His actions are not all good but that starts from an good intention. But he had going to far and now he can't return any more behind. Personally, I love Lelouch but I can't forgive his crims or all the bad thing he has doing in the past. And it's the same for Suzaku, I can't forgive him for has give his friend to the Emperor... They're not good or bad : they're good AND bad. And that's why I love this anime, because they have the same goal but don't have the same methods and hate themselves.

I specify that I am not for Britannia or The Order of Black Knights in particular, but for both.

( and sorry if I made mistakes. )