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sumeragiskank.livejournal.com in code_geassI seriously loved this episode and all of the great Lloyd and Suzaku moments in it. But I'm kinda scratching my head after reading some reactions to it that make no sense to me. I've not been very involved in Geass fandom and am rather shocked at some of the prevailing attitudes ^^;;;
I'm rather confused as to why everyone thinks Nunally has been brainwashed by Suzaku. After all, he's not the one who actually uses an evil brainwashing power to murder people. That's Lelouch. He's never used someone important to him as a political tool. Again, that's Lelouch. And if you want to argue that he used Lelouch, I think he had more than enough right to do so after Lelouch murdered Euphie and completely fucked over his country and plans for peace.
I'm glad to see Nunally taking some initiative and for them to develop her character more. I also am eagerly awaiting to see her reaction to learning Lelouch is Zero. I was glad she told him he was wrong. Because he is. And I do not think that, even as much as she loves her brother, she is going to take very kindly to the knowledge that he has been murdering people left and right and committing all sorts of atrocities all in her name. She'll likely be horrified and so far, no Britannian telling her has been a mercy. Lelouch has made this bed for himself and he seems awfully upset that now he has to lie in it. Poor baby. This is me feeling completely not sorry for him.
I like Lelouch as a character, but I hold no illusions that he's a nice person in the least. He puts selfish goals ahead of the plight of an entire nation of downtrodden people, nevermind lying to, manipulating, and using people who honestly care for him. Along with murdering family members and innocent people in cold blood and all of that. I don't think the ends ever justify the means, and while he had good intentions at some point - is he now going to fuck over Nunally for his own goals and ego or will he let her lead her own life - I think Lelouch's pretty far along on his trip to hell. I jiust don't understand why everything Suzaku does wrong is picked apart and held against him while Lelouch's various crimes, which are a much much much much longer list, are immediately forgiven. I understand that he's the main character and all, but I just can't give him that leeway and have to hold him to the same standards as every other character.
I'm rather confused as to why everyone thinks Nunally has been brainwashed by Suzaku. After all, he's not the one who actually uses an evil brainwashing power to murder people. That's Lelouch. He's never used someone important to him as a political tool. Again, that's Lelouch. And if you want to argue that he used Lelouch, I think he had more than enough right to do so after Lelouch murdered Euphie and completely fucked over his country and plans for peace.
I'm glad to see Nunally taking some initiative and for them to develop her character more. I also am eagerly awaiting to see her reaction to learning Lelouch is Zero. I was glad she told him he was wrong. Because he is. And I do not think that, even as much as she loves her brother, she is going to take very kindly to the knowledge that he has been murdering people left and right and committing all sorts of atrocities all in her name. She'll likely be horrified and so far, no Britannian telling her has been a mercy. Lelouch has made this bed for himself and he seems awfully upset that now he has to lie in it. Poor baby. This is me feeling completely not sorry for him.
I like Lelouch as a character, but I hold no illusions that he's a nice person in the least. He puts selfish goals ahead of the plight of an entire nation of downtrodden people, nevermind lying to, manipulating, and using people who honestly care for him. Along with murdering family members and innocent people in cold blood and all of that. I don't think the ends ever justify the means, and while he had good intentions at some point - is he now going to fuck over Nunally for his own goals and ego or will he let her lead her own life - I think Lelouch's pretty far along on his trip to hell. I jiust don't understand why everything Suzaku does wrong is picked apart and held against him while Lelouch's various crimes, which are a much much much much longer list, are immediately forgiven. I understand that he's the main character and all, but I just can't give him that leeway and have to hold him to the same standards as every other character.
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BUT~
to put it in dashes (hopefully answering sumeragiskank):
- Nunally supports Euphie's idealistic claims for Japan
- Suzaku has simply won over Nunally's trust because both of them supports Euphie's idea. (Remember they want an independent Japan? Err correct me if I'm wrong.)
- Both Suzaku and Lelouch are wrong in many ways and right at the same time (depends with how you think about it, really.)
- To enunciate, Suzaku is right to have "sold" Lelouch because of the crimes he has committed under the name of Zero.
- But he's also wrong because it wasn't shown to us if Suzaku dared to listen to Lelouch's real side of the story (Remember he was utterly broken emotionally by Euphie's death? And remember that Lelouch didn't mean to kill Euphie and instead, go with her idea?).
- Lelouch is right (speaking for nationalism and love for family) to have formed the Black Knights because, if you were under his shoes, and given that you have the 'geass', wouldn't you feel the pressure of your own country in danger or the fact that someone so close to you died(Marianne Britannia)or was abducted(Nunally) on the time when you were powerless/ have control over everything?
- But he is wrong at the same time, because he is selfish to think that nearly everything he concocted were stepping stones to simply achieve his way of a "normal life" with Nunally alone. (recall how he ponders to use Rolo and manipulate him for Lelouch's own gains)
- Lelouch accidentally triggered (or rather, because of his constant use, isn't strong enough to be suppresed) the geass before Euphie. simply saying: it's not his entire fault.
- Nunally will be more than horrified to find his brother in such a devastating position.
- Yes, Lelouch is the one suffering every blow.
- D8 Suzaku's suddenly out-of-character decisions are mind blowing for all of us. Since during the first season, we got used to the heroic and nationalistic Suzaku, and the cunning and sinful Lelouch. Season 2 is the turning point for their attitudes. Suzaku displayed his emotions on screen as if he had such cruel intentions. And Lelouch displayed such a torn and violated emotion since his past was vandalized and his only loved family member, abducted.
- Hints of the next episode is that he'll probably stay silent and let Nunally do her job.. because he might've been so emotionally torn by the tragic events...
WTF IT'S SO LONG!!?! DDDD: