Turn 14, Lulu, VV and everyone else

[recodes.livejournal.com]

I know it's only been an hour after the episode finished, but if I don't write this down now, I'd probably forget later ~_~ So... my thoughts about this turn...

1. I have to give Lulu lots of credits for managing to appear calm after Shirley's death, unlike the mess Suzaku seemed to put himself in after Euphie died.
   
   
2. When did Lulu actually have the set installed in front of the entrance? Even I thought he was still in Ashford O_o
   
   
3. Is Suzaku completely evil, or is he completely desperate to go against Lulu? I love him and all, but for him to persuade Kallen this way... Feeding Kallen the bullshit that Lulu killed Shirley is one thing, but to drug her with refrain is another... WTF Suzaku?!!!
   
   
4. I think we were wrong when we thought VV expected Jeremiah to go against him. Apparently, he was shocked to find Lelouch at the other end of the line when the call connected. And if his "Jeremiah, even you too...!!" means anything, then he really didn't expect this.
   
   
5. Took VV a while to notice the one in Vincent was Rolo :P
   
   
6. Charles' "My son Lelouch! The time has come!' comment now convinced me that the stage for the finale had been planned all along... Ugh.
   
   
7. The little kids with Geass ability that we saw in the scans before :D They called Rolo 'Rolo-oniichan'~ Now I really don't want Rolo to die, though Lulu was ready to detonate Vincent in order to trap/kill VV.
   
   
8. LOL at Toudou and Chiba in the bedroom ~__~
   
   
9. CC's apology to the cult members before destroying them, saying they were all in the mess now because of her 'sin'. Needs Turn 15 now!
   
   
10. VV, with his hair in a mess, looks so much like Clovis :D
    
    
11. EDIT: Bartley x Clovis should be made canon O_o

I have a question...

So, since Lelouch has discarded his Zero mask, is his identity somehow out in the open now? I was sure there were other members present during the attack against the cult. Or was I reading into it too much? Hmm... I'd love for this to happen soon.

And for everything else I forgot to mention, let the discussion rolllll~

Comments

[rainbow-cnxn.livejournal.com]

WHAT IS THIS I HEAR ABOUT LELOUCH BEING MANIPULATED BY NUNNALLY? ARGH, NEED SUBS!

To quote from an /a/non:
Lelouch orders the massacre of civilians.
Rolo kills children.
Suzaku threatens to drug Kallen.
And VV reveals that Nunnally is manipulating Lelouch.
What a beautiful ep. Everyone is a total douche.

God, I love this show... =D

[rainbow-cnxn.livejournal.com]

Or the Nunnally bit is full of shit because everyone fails at translating Japanese...

[saverellawish.livejournal.com]

WHAT NUNNALLY IS MANIPULATING LULU!? WHAT!? D:

Ugh, I'm really not going to bed till 6 in the morning because of this episode *smacks head on desk*

[recodes.livejournal.com]

Lelouch orders the massacre of civilians.

Depends on the sanity of said civilians...

Rolo kills children.

T______T
I am confused at this part. Rolo Geassed the kids, and then he dared say he's doing all this for Nii-san!!! Ehhh.....

Suzaku threatens to drug Kallen.

With refrain... How low too...

And VV reveals that Nunnally is manipulating Lelouch.

Not even going to comment on this ~_~

What a beautiful ep. Everyone is a total douche.

AGREED 200%

[ex-defaced.livejournal.com]

This episode must be big.
Suzaku haters crashed 4chan for a while due to their RAAAAAAAAGE and their hate threads -_-

[recodes.livejournal.com]

I guess I was too distracted by something else to notice VV saying Nunnally was manipulating Lulu!! Did he really say that? I thought it was something like 'he was driven to committing all of what he'd done because of Nunnally' or something similar...

*needs practice*

[neltis-screi.livejournal.com]

I haven't seen the ep, yet my rage is already burning like hell. and to think I'm trying to not hate Suzaku. whai do this T__T

I need Turn 14 so bad. NOW.

[lavaliere]

Also according to /a/: Nunnally is the Final Boss. :|

Am I the only one that seekritly hopes for this?

[lavaliere]

Suzaku's a bastard. Believe it.

I want my Pre-Euphinator Suzaku back! ;;

[recodes.livejournal.com]

SHOOOOOTTTT!!!!

[recodes.livejournal.com]

I want my Pre-Euphinator Suzaku back! ;;

You're not the only one T___T

[lavaliere]

YOU CAN'T HIND BEHIND THAT BOKU FOREVER, SUZAKU. ;;

Also, this episode needed more god Gino.

[neltis-screi.livejournal.com]

ajkshdjka

.. so do I ;__;

[epistretes.livejournal.com]

Seriously, get over the Suzaku hate, people.

Sure, what he threatened to do (threatened, not actually go through with as far as we know) was to use one person to get the truth.

Lelouch ordered a massacre. AGAIN.

Seriously. Why the severe hate for Suzaku but total love for Lelouch?

Yes, before you go on about how much I must hate Lelouch, I am actually a huge fan of his character, I'm just utterly fed up of everything about Suzaku being nonsense crack or complete outright hate.

[hobbit-hunter.livejournal.com]

Because it's the shock of how much Suzaku has really changed, I think. He's so different now that he's no longer the same Suzaku.

Where as you know, Lelouch ordering a massacre is nothing new. Imo.

[lavaliere]

Why the severe hate for Suzaku but total love for Lelouch?

Because he's the titluar character, of course. Everyone knows that the main character always gets the best publicity love!



Honestly, I don't hate Suzaku, but I'm dissapointed with what he's threatening to do. It seems to undermine his whole purpose and present him as a hypocrite. Lelouch, however, openly gives his reasons for what he does and acknowledges that what he does is evil most of the time. Suzaku, however, puts on this righteous air when his means aren't necessarily righteous at all.

And that's my thoughts on yaoi.

[epistretes.livejournal.com]

He never really was that in the first place, when you look at the picture book and how he was when he first met Lelouch, he punched him. He killed his own father - all before episode 23.

Yes, I miss smiley-Suzaku, but as a foil to the main character, he is very good.

[saverellawish.livejournal.com]

I was just going off of what rainbow_cnxn originally put.

I hope its just along the lines he did it all for Nunnally.

[saverellawish.livejournal.com]

Bad Suzaku >_> Your making it really hard not to hate you.

[epistretes.livejournal.com]

I know they do and I love Lelouch as much as the next rabid fangirl but it is getting so old. I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen just tons of Suzaku hate all over this community let alone the rest of the fandom and it is just really starting to bore me.

It is a sad thing what he is doing, but when you look at what is driving him to do it, it is understandable. Shitty, but understandable.

Suzaku dropped the righteous air imo when Euphie died. That moment he hung up the phone to Lelouch was the moment he stopped pretending. He always has been violent and even Euphie didn't fully change that part of him.

and now bed coz it is 6.40am >>

[aidama.livejournal.com]

"Nunnally is the Final Boss"

ive often wondered why few question what the hell she did for a year while lelouch was chillaxing at ashford, memories erased and all :p

[lavaliere]

I think the reason behind the hate is because Sunrise introduces Suzaku as a righteous martyr. Hell, the first episode it's hinted that he "dies" for his friend, whom he hadn't seen for seven years. And it's not until much later in the series do we discover his reasons behind being such a "good person." Or even much later that he was initally a spoiled brat. Yes, the facade is stripped away when Euphemia dies, to an extent, but some might think that the facade should not have been there in the first place. (Not me necessarily, but that's the feeling I get from people)

Suzaku also still hides behind this "good person" facade at times. Look how he treats Nunnally or behaves in front of large groups (like in episode 8). He's still trying to give the air that he's doing the right thing for the right purposes. He doesn't acknowledge that what he is doing is wrong as much as Lelouch does. Hell, Lelouch actually says "I will become the evil that will destroy the greater evil." Suzaku still hides behind his status as a knight and "I joined the military to save Japan." Only now it's "I sold out my friend and am striving to become Knight of One all just to save Japan."

Again, just my thoughts on it, and they're probably not as cohesive considering how early/late it is, but oh well. xD;

[aidama.livejournal.com]

correct

the problem the greater fanbase has with suzaku is that he has progressed from "i will do everything the righteous way" to pretty much a carbon copy of lelouch. as a result its easier to hate him because his character development has been clearly defined. moreover, lelouch has always been lelouch, his motivations and personality traits have remained constant throughout the series; thus, the fact that lelouch orders the massacre of innocents born into the cult largely do his own failures should come as no surprise.

he still isn't nearly as bad as lelouch though, yet

[hobbit-hunter.livejournal.com]

I actually haven't had the awesome chance to see a lot of the picture books or other media of Code Geass, sadly. He accidentally killed his father by trying to prove a point... that's a little different than what he does now. Though one could say him doing that caused the turn events he is at now.

Very good foil indeed.

[hopechan.livejournal.com]

I AM FULL OF HOPE IN THIS REGARD.