Turn 14, Lulu, VV and everyone else

[recodes.livejournal.com]

I know it's only been an hour after the episode finished, but if I don't write this down now, I'd probably forget later ~_~ So... my thoughts about this turn...

1. I have to give Lulu lots of credits for managing to appear calm after Shirley's death, unlike the mess Suzaku seemed to put himself in after Euphie died.
   
   
2. When did Lulu actually have the set installed in front of the entrance? Even I thought he was still in Ashford O_o
   
   
3. Is Suzaku completely evil, or is he completely desperate to go against Lulu? I love him and all, but for him to persuade Kallen this way... Feeding Kallen the bullshit that Lulu killed Shirley is one thing, but to drug her with refrain is another... WTF Suzaku?!!!
   
   
4. I think we were wrong when we thought VV expected Jeremiah to go against him. Apparently, he was shocked to find Lelouch at the other end of the line when the call connected. And if his "Jeremiah, even you too...!!" means anything, then he really didn't expect this.
   
   
5. Took VV a while to notice the one in Vincent was Rolo :P
   
   
6. Charles' "My son Lelouch! The time has come!' comment now convinced me that the stage for the finale had been planned all along... Ugh.
   
   
7. The little kids with Geass ability that we saw in the scans before :D They called Rolo 'Rolo-oniichan'~ Now I really don't want Rolo to die, though Lulu was ready to detonate Vincent in order to trap/kill VV.
   
   
8. LOL at Toudou and Chiba in the bedroom ~__~
   
   
9. CC's apology to the cult members before destroying them, saying they were all in the mess now because of her 'sin'. Needs Turn 15 now!
   
   
10. VV, with his hair in a mess, looks so much like Clovis :D
    
    
11. EDIT: Bartley x Clovis should be made canon O_o

I have a question...

So, since Lelouch has discarded his Zero mask, is his identity somehow out in the open now? I was sure there were other members present during the attack against the cult. Or was I reading into it too much? Hmm... I'd love for this to happen soon.

And for everything else I forgot to mention, let the discussion rolllll~

Comments

[epistretes.livejournal.com]

I know they do and I love Lelouch as much as the next rabid fangirl but it is getting so old. I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen just tons of Suzaku hate all over this community let alone the rest of the fandom and it is just really starting to bore me.

It is a sad thing what he is doing, but when you look at what is driving him to do it, it is understandable. Shitty, but understandable.

Suzaku dropped the righteous air imo when Euphie died. That moment he hung up the phone to Lelouch was the moment he stopped pretending. He always has been violent and even Euphie didn't fully change that part of him.

and now bed coz it is 6.40am >>

[lavaliere]

I think the reason behind the hate is because Sunrise introduces Suzaku as a righteous martyr. Hell, the first episode it's hinted that he "dies" for his friend, whom he hadn't seen for seven years. And it's not until much later in the series do we discover his reasons behind being such a "good person." Or even much later that he was initally a spoiled brat. Yes, the facade is stripped away when Euphemia dies, to an extent, but some might think that the facade should not have been there in the first place. (Not me necessarily, but that's the feeling I get from people)

Suzaku also still hides behind this "good person" facade at times. Look how he treats Nunnally or behaves in front of large groups (like in episode 8). He's still trying to give the air that he's doing the right thing for the right purposes. He doesn't acknowledge that what he is doing is wrong as much as Lelouch does. Hell, Lelouch actually says "I will become the evil that will destroy the greater evil." Suzaku still hides behind his status as a knight and "I joined the military to save Japan." Only now it's "I sold out my friend and am striving to become Knight of One all just to save Japan."

Again, just my thoughts on it, and they're probably not as cohesive considering how early/late it is, but oh well. xD;

[aidama.livejournal.com]

correct

the problem the greater fanbase has with suzaku is that he has progressed from "i will do everything the righteous way" to pretty much a carbon copy of lelouch. as a result its easier to hate him because his character development has been clearly defined. moreover, lelouch has always been lelouch, his motivations and personality traits have remained constant throughout the series; thus, the fact that lelouch orders the massacre of innocents born into the cult largely do his own failures should come as no surprise.

he still isn't nearly as bad as lelouch though, yet

[apapazukamori.livejournal.com]

to pretty much a carbon copy of lelouch.

Seems like those people really, really haven't been paying attention.

[jusrecht.livejournal.com]

I don't think the way he treats Nunnally or behaves in ep 8 is a facade at all. It's just something that he does. It's him who wants to protect Japan and Nunnally, even if behind it all, the real reason is redemption for his own sins. The thing about Lelouch is he accepts that he is evil. Suzaku doesn't have this quality, mainly I think because he's used to think of himself as virtuous, or at least trying to be virtuous. To put it in a worse way, he can't afford to be evil again after what he did to his father.

But seriously, why not give him the benefit of the doubt?

[lavaliere]

To put it in a worse way, he can't afford to be evil again after what he did to his father.

The reason the killing of his father is considered so horrible is not because Suzaku killed him but because of the action, Suzaku essentially sold out Japan.

Giving Suzaku a benefit of the doubt would be like giving Lelouch the benefit of the doubt. The means to which both have achieved their ends could be considered terrible. Liking one better than the other because he seems "better" is ignorant, I think.

*sigh* And anyway, I did not say that I hated Suzaku. *points to comment here* I was only giving possible reasons for why some people might. There's a difference. I'm actually rather against character hate/bashing.

To put it simply, I understand that Suzaku is a bastard. Just like Lelouch is a bastard, Rolo's a bastard, Charles and V.V. are bastards... And so is just about half of the entire Code Geass cast. To not accept this would mean being blind to the entire Geass story thus far. Each character just has different reasons for being an ass, that's all.

[jusrecht.livejournal.com]

I think it will only be fair, yes, to give both of them the benefit of the doubt. It's just that Lelouch's character is pretty clear to me so far while I really don't know what I should think about Suzaku. He's... continually exceeding expectation is all I can say, in both the positive and negative sense.

Oh, sorry if I sounded like I was accusing you. I read the comment that you actually don't hate Suzaku and I responded to your comment because it was the one I wanted to respond to, not because I thought you were picking a fight ^^; I don't like character bashing either. It's a relief that this comm isn't as bad as some places out there..

LOL I agree with you, all of them are bastards. In fact, I think that's the reason why this series is interesting. None of them is a real white hero or a real black bad guy.

[lulu-holic.livejournal.com]

pravoooooooo!!! *clap clap clap* everything said about suzaku is right1 thank you!1 u relived me!

[apapazukamori.livejournal.com]

but some might think that the facade should not have been there in the first place.

But that's the audience presuming they know more about a character and a series than the creators do. The Suzaku-hate shouldn't get a free pass because some fans have entitlement issues.

He's still trying to give the air that he's doing the right thing for the right purposes.

I have a feeling he still does believe he's more or less doing that. When he hesitates to execute his assassin-wannabe and Anya asks him if he's a masochist, he replies that he knows people hate him, and that's all right. Because he's got a higher goal in mind. In a twisted way, handing Lelouch over to Charles saved Lelouch's life. Suzaku could have killed him right then just for revenge's sake. Instead, he took a page from Lelouch's book and used the situation to both their advantages. Granted, Lelouch doesn't see it that way, but in Suzaku's mind, he did what he needed to do to achieve the best possible outcome, so it's all right if Lelouch hates his guts.