Argghh Refrain

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

Refrain Analogies

(ugh sorry I know there are already 2 or 3 other discussion postson Turn 15, buuut

I was just thinking back on Turn 15, and I found it interesting that Suzaku compared giving Refrain to Kallen, to Zero.

From gg's subs:

You will tell me everything. With this Refrain...

There's no need to be afraid.

Your own will shall soon be gone, and you will answer my questions.

You will obey my orders.

*Kallen whining/crying*

I-I... won't become like him!

Before I was talking with a friend and we were like "If Suzaku did that, fandom would totally hate him forever." Even the die-hard Suzaku fans couldn't justify injecting drugs into a prisoner (especially Kallen! ;_;) It's just morally wrong and is so going against Suzaku's ends by the means thing.

But now that I think about what Suzaku said, "I-I... won't become like him!" isn't giving Kallen Refrain the same thing as Lelouch geassing someone? It takes away free will, alters consciousness and commands obedience.

I dunno, I just thought about it a bit more, and if I was going to hate Suzaku forever for forcefully giving Kallen drugs, I should hate Lelouch every time he uses Geass because it ends with the same result- one's just a physical injection and the other is metaphysical mindfuck.

And just a random completely overdue Kallen related question:

What actually did happen to her mother?
In Stage 9, SHS-Ureshii said "Your sentence is out, it's 20 years" and gg's was something like "The verdict is out it's 20 years."
And I was talking with a friend again and she was like "Kallen's mum went to jail for doing drugs" and I'm like wtf do they really do that (it's obviously not the same as our world, but still, I've never heard of somebody going to jail for doing drugs.)
I was under the impression that Kallen's mum would be a drooling vegetable-like-state in hospital for 20 years, but the fansubs definitely tell otherwise. So clarification anyone? xD

Oh, and some random lolness I stole from Kit-chan

"Nii-san...where are you...you're late for our nightly make-out session...:("

Comments

[sukiyakiya.livejournal.com]

I dunno, I just thought about it a bit more, and if I was going to hate Suzaku forever for forcefully giving Kallen drugs, I should hate Lelouch every time he uses Geass because it ends with the same result- one's just a physical injection and the other is metaphysical mindfuck
heh, its because mostly ppl doing about "they favorite person", though in classic way, in Real Life even Intellegent 'secretly' does have permission to drug terrorist to got information, cruel i know, but that was one of the way.

Maybe is an ugly random ppl or maybe unimportant terrorist cameo, no one will protest that Suzaku will drug him/her.

I have heard some word that "hero and criminals are have a thin line difference" *grins*

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

Ugh, we're just as bad as terrorist organisations then? -_-

But that's a good point, I wonder if it was some random terrorist (or even some one like Tamaki) would the reaction be very different? I think a lot of people would still be like "Suzaku, why the hell are you drugging some random prisoner!?" but not as big an uproar.

[sukiyakiya.livejournal.com]

no offense too, but here and there is a different matter, i hope we didn't bring a hard topic into anime thread topic^^; (not in US anyway)

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

I'm Australian just for the record lol (which isn't much better but anyway)

Obviously there are a lot of atrocities going on, some behind our backs some straight in front of us. I was just finding it ironic that the Western world often depicts terrorists and terrorism as this ruthless monstrous thing, but in reality we commit a lot of the same things they do.

[sukiyakiya.livejournal.com]

Ugh, we're just as bad as terrorist organisations then?
depends on what you thinking, maybe when we thinking that we are right, maybe other will fell the wrong, after all ever person have their on "justice". The only thing different that A is called 'hero' and the B is called 'criminal' though what they doing almost same, but ppl always like 'hero' ways, right?

or even some one like Tamaki
For the worst, ppl will laugh when Suzaku got him drug^^;

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

Yeah I guess. It's just that, the Western world media would probably take something like "Terrorists drug their prisoners!" to create this public outrage when the Western world does it too.

lol, a lot of people hate Tamaki too. I bet a lot of people would be like "GO SUZAKU!" lol xD

[sukiyakiya.livejournal.com]

Eastern and Western actually not different at all, the different only their way^^;

talking about tamaki, remember about A board that have a status of loyalty that someone posting? they said it was based on Zero prediction. Tamaki got only 40, but for loyalty, i guess the real one he is above, remember on eps 01 R2? when everyone seem not trusted Zero, but he is 100% not give up his hope to Zero, he is the real loyal XD

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

Ahaha yeah, Zero doesn't give Tamaki enough credit xD

[sukiyakiya.livejournal.com]

yeah, i wonder when tamaki will "gave enough" about Zero, i hope he not >.