Argghh Refrain

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

Refrain Analogies

(ugh sorry I know there are already 2 or 3 other discussion postson Turn 15, buuut

I was just thinking back on Turn 15, and I found it interesting that Suzaku compared giving Refrain to Kallen, to Zero.

From gg's subs:

You will tell me everything. With this Refrain...

There's no need to be afraid.

Your own will shall soon be gone, and you will answer my questions.

You will obey my orders.

*Kallen whining/crying*

I-I... won't become like him!

Before I was talking with a friend and we were like "If Suzaku did that, fandom would totally hate him forever." Even the die-hard Suzaku fans couldn't justify injecting drugs into a prisoner (especially Kallen! ;_;) It's just morally wrong and is so going against Suzaku's ends by the means thing.

But now that I think about what Suzaku said, "I-I... won't become like him!" isn't giving Kallen Refrain the same thing as Lelouch geassing someone? It takes away free will, alters consciousness and commands obedience.

I dunno, I just thought about it a bit more, and if I was going to hate Suzaku forever for forcefully giving Kallen drugs, I should hate Lelouch every time he uses Geass because it ends with the same result- one's just a physical injection and the other is metaphysical mindfuck.

And just a random completely overdue Kallen related question:

What actually did happen to her mother?
In Stage 9, SHS-Ureshii said "Your sentence is out, it's 20 years" and gg's was something like "The verdict is out it's 20 years."
And I was talking with a friend again and she was like "Kallen's mum went to jail for doing drugs" and I'm like wtf do they really do that (it's obviously not the same as our world, but still, I've never heard of somebody going to jail for doing drugs.)
I was under the impression that Kallen's mum would be a drooling vegetable-like-state in hospital for 20 years, but the fansubs definitely tell otherwise. So clarification anyone? xD

Oh, and some random lolness I stole from Kit-chan

"Nii-san...where are you...you're late for our nightly make-out session...:("

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[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

Although it's not revealed I think Kallen's mum only took Refrain once? *shrugs* But she did get pretty sick after it, so it could've been a build up from constantly using drugs or it could be a one-off thing.

lol Rolo <3 xD

[spleener.livejournal.com]

She was taking it regularly, her accidents around the house in episode 9 (the vase, etc.) were due to frequent use of the drug fucking her brain over, and we see her distressing over being out of refrain in one scene there too.

More than likely she just happened to be pushed over to the state of vegetable with the dose she took in the warehouse that night, I guess?

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

Aaah I remember seeing that, when she was all omfg with all that random writing on the wall. I was like "wtf is up with that"

Thanks for clearing that up xD

[arasay-x3.livejournal.com]

Yeah refrain.

Oh and I found out more stuff! ^^ Well Kallen's real mum and dad divorced and her dad married this other woman and Kallen's mum was hired as a maid in the house. At first Kallen, her dad, stepmother and brother treated Kallen's real mum badly so she started taking drugs and eventually... died? Kallen then realises how mean she was as a Britainnian or something so she and her brother joined a resistance and Ougi was her brother's friend so that explains how she hugged him when he got rescued.

^ Well something like that, I may be wrong at some parts XP

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

Well she didn't die- she's seen in Stage 9 xD I think the part where her mum and dad divorced and remarried is probably true though

[arasay-x3.livejournal.com]

Oh then she didn't die. ^^' My bad. Yeah the divorced part is pretty true... I read it in more than 3 discussion posts and they all mentioned it and plus my sister also told me about it and she's usually write about stuff like that XD