I don't know if this has been discussed before

[evrything-burns.livejournal.com]

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but does anyone else, like me, think that maybe, maybe, Lelouch's feeling for Nunnally surpass those of an ordinary brother? Maybe I've just read too many mangas that end up involving incest, but it just seems that Lelouch is going the extra mile for her. Any thoughts?

EDIT: I suppose I should have stated my case better with evidence rather than turning it into a free for all where people think I'm pulling this out of my butt 'cause I have no problems with incest (and yeah, maybe it's because I don't have any brothers) in animanga.



Yes, I admit, it's not unnatural to want to protect your family. After the death of his mother, Lelouch had only Nunnally by his side and because of her injuries, she required his attention. For the longest time, I didn't think anything of his devotion to her, but after certain events, it just makes everything come a little more into perspective.

I care about my family, and tons of people really love their siblings. I'm not heartless and would let anyone in my family die without trying to help them, but if I had Lelouch's power, I would fight for the innocent as much as my family. He claims to fight for the rest of the world, but deep down it's all for Nunnally's sake. Without her, he probably wouldn't do what he is.

In the 6th Picture Drama, Milly teased that Lelouch and Nunnally's love was beautiful but dangerous (even if she was joking, there were obviously grounds to make this assumption).

In Episode 21, when Nunnally and Euphemia were talking, Nunnally made the comment that when they were children, the two girls used to fight over who would marry Lelouch.

In Episode 23, as he fired the shot that would ultimately kill Euphemia, he admitted that she was his "first love". So he obviously had, at some point, stronger than typical feelings for his sisters.

But the turning point for me, at least, was in Episode 11 of R2. If anyone recalls, Xingke and Tianzi obviously loved each other, despite the age difference (and if people are going to spazz about the incest claims, what about the pedophilic feelings between them? He is a heck of a lot older than she is). So, not knowing whether to force Tianzi into a political marriage, or allow her to be with the one she loved, he called Shirley who told him "Love is power. Falling in love with someone gives you great power. Thinking about this person every single day...jumping into waterfalls and screaming the person's name," and when she asks, "Don't you have someone like that Lulu? To dedicate more than you normally would for someone," he immediately thought of Nunnally with his look of utter realization on his face.

There is such thing as being attracted to your siblings, and it's something some people can grow out of. Whether it's "penis envy" or whatever you call it, some girls are attracted to their fathers, some boys to their mothers, some children to their siblings. So for that to be in anime, something that dips in every taboo available, pretty well, it's not completely impossible. There is such thing as being attracted to your siblings, and it's something some people can grow out of. Whether it's "penis envy" or whatever you call it, some girls are attracted to their fathers, some boys to their mothers, some children to their siblings. So for that to be in anime, something that dips in every taboo available, pretty well, it's not completely impossible.

Comments

[a-small-star.livejournal.com]

I think you've read too much incest manga, and you should probably stop.

She's the only family he has left, I would hope that you would go the extra mile, too. :/

[evrything-burns.livejournal.com]

It's not like I seek it out. And I'm actually not bothered by stuff like that; at least in fiction.

I wouldn't start a war against an entire empire XP

[a-small-star.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm glad I'm not your sister.

[fruitsbaby.livejournal.com]

You need to chill out, man, and not go so far as to insult someone like that. :/

[evrything-burns.livejournal.com]

I never said I was incestuous, I'm just not bothered by it in fictional worlds. Just like people who aren't homophobic. Does it mean they're homosexual? No, they just don't get offended by people who are.

[a-small-star.livejournal.com]

I never said I was bothered by incest in general -- I'm not retarded, I know that royal families did that sort of thing all the time.

I'm getting sick of people in this fandom warping what's actually there into something that really isn't.

And it was more in reference to if my brother (I have no sisters) went through something like Nunnally did, and he was all I could trust in having, I'd probably burn the earth to make it right again.

[bodyline.livejournal.com]

Oh God someone interprets things differently than you do! How dare they, 'dem whores must diaf.


Seriously, just because you don't see it, doesn't mean others don't. The thing with most anime, and with Lelouch and Nunnally, is that there's nothing to prove concretely that yes, there is some incest there. But there's nothing to prove otherwise, either. It's just pure fan speculation on both sides of the spectrum. So saying people are warping what's there into something that's not really there? That's all entirely you're opinion. There's nothing to say for certain that it isn't there, it's all up to how you read things.

[a-small-star.livejournal.com]

There's nothing to interpret. The boy loves his sister and would go to the ends of the earth for her; he doesn't want to fuck her brains out.

[bodyline.livejournal.com]

And someone could very easily disagree with you (and they certainly have the grounding to) and see it differently since the whole thing is very ambiguous and can be read in an asortment of different ways. And yes, other people will read it in those different ways. Shocking, I know.

Seriously, you can feel free to dislike it all you want but stop acting like a bitch about it and let it go. It's not hurting you if someone on the internet thinks Lelouch's behaviour towards Nunnally pushes the boundaries of brotherly/sisterly a bit too much.

[schizofragile.livejournal.com]

Awwww so love nowadays = fucking her? That's so shallow. But it's how most people think now.

[lavaliere]

Chill. Just because you don't care for it doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to be interested.

And I'd like to take this moment to point out that incest is not all that uncommon in royalty. In fact, it happened a lot, simply to keep blood lines "pure."

[a-small-star.livejournal.com]

As above -- I'm not retarded, I know that royal families did that sort of thing all the time.

I'm getting sick of people in this fandom warping what's actually there into something that really isn't.

[apapazukamori.livejournal.com]

*shrug* As has been stated before, just because you don't care for it does not mean other people can't like it. Technically, about 80% of this fandom has no canon basis. But Gino/Suzaku and C.C./Kallen fans do exist along with Lelouch/Nunnally shippers and people who read deep and meaningful things into Rivalz and his motorcycle. Don't like it, don't read it.

[apapazukamori.livejournal.com]

Judgmental, much?

When it comes to fandom, especially one in which the majority of ships are largely unsupported by canon, there are no "ridiculous theories" or "stupid justifications" and reasons one person likes something over something else cannot be "flawed".

The people here who don't like incest or don't see it between Lelouch and Nunnally didn't have to respond. They don't have to participate. They can choose to, but in choosing to join the discussion, they also should be polite and respectful, as they are the ones bringing rain to the parade. When fandom is almost entirely centered around interpretation, anti-ship or anti-interpretation crusades are a waste of energy. Live and let live.

[lavaliere]

Exactly what apapazukamori said, just because you don't like it doesn't mean other people can't. There's no canon basis for any relationship in the series, except probably Viletta/Ougi. Part of the fun of fandom is to twist things further than what they truly are.

If you don't like people warping things, good luck finding a fandom where people don't.

Oh, and it's not like the writers of the series haven't hinted at Lelouch/Nunnally and just about every other pairing. Go watch Picture Drama 8.75 and come back to me, k? :)

[a-small-star.livejournal.com]

Part of the fun of fandom is to twist things further than what they truly are.

Ahaha -- not really. :/

[lavaliere]

Again, your opinion. But guess what? Your opinion isn't necessarily truth or right. Other people are entitled to believe what they want, even if you don't like get. Got a problem with that, too bad. Get over it or gtfo. The fandom isn't going to change just because you don't like it.

I personally don't ship Lelouch/Nunnally, but that doesn't mean there isn't hints at it in the series. And if I were to bash every person that ships a pairing I don't personally like, I'd end up being very lonely in fandom.

[zerorevenge.livejournal.com]

Well, He has his Grand Ol'e Dad...

And his brothers and Sisters.

[a-small-star.livejournal.com]

It seems that Lelouch has little stock or favor for his other siblings (and certainly not for his father).

[trinities.livejournal.com]

But he sure as hell was in love with Euphy at one time. That's canon, buddy.

[celemna.livejournal.com]

I would just say I think you're being extreme. I personally don't think there's incest there- I've always thought that Euphie was more of a romantic lover as per sister for him and that Nunally was the last thing he had left. But I don't read any incest manga and I can honestly see how people interpret it that way. You shouldn't be offended when someone see's something different. I don't feel that I would be doing all this because I'm in love with my family- but that I love them. But people can honestly argue with canon that Lelouch has incestual tendancies and I agree that there is an opening and as fans we should try to respect that.

I know it's annoying- I know that personally I don't like to think it. But we're all fans here- all we have are our own ideas and we shouldn't be flame blasting someone because their ideas are different. It's not as if Lelouch never once went for his family. At the same time- Euphemia can be taken as a childhood crush. It's even considered natural in families to have an early childhood crush on the parent of the opposite gender or a brother or sister. There are many things to support both opinions..but we shouldn't be telling people who wrong they are without logically arguing it with canon evidence. Family has obviously crossed the line in Geass before. We should respect that and talk this out civilly.

[icki-akki.livejournal.com]

Well said, lol?

And also, this is animanga, and Nunnally is a plot device, so the filial love Lelouch has for her kind of needs to be used to advance the plot.

[summanaro.livejournal.com]

I'm getting sick of people in this fandom warping what's actually there into something that really isn't.

what are your thoughts on yaoi?


also, calling troll on this.

[a-small-star.livejournal.com]

I'm not a troll, you little twit.

If yaoi is recognizably part of the canon (Gravitation, FAKE, Loveless, etc.), I honestly have no problem. I'm not exactly straight myself; it's the constant mongering of it when it isn't factual canon that pisses me off.

Just because a character has a male best friend (or rival) doesn't mean they want to sleep with him.