romance in geass

[rosangela.livejournal.com]

Do you think that Lelouch loved someone romantically in the end?There have been hints with C.C., Shirley and Kallen.Personally i think that the staff was going with C.C. and Lelouch in the first season and in the second they took the route for Lelouch and Kallen.Shirley was in school and it was hard in the first place.
What is your opinion?

Comments

[snoozy.livejournal.com]

Lelouch was a pimp. truestory.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Hmm, well this topic is kind of a hornet's nest because some people take shipping far, far too seriously. But I enjoy a reasonable debate of the subject.
C.C., Shirley, and Kallen were all important to Lelouch, for sure; I don't think anybody can reasonably argue that. The issue is whether or not his feelings were romantic or platonic. I think in his heart he had some romantic feelings for all three, but felt very confused about his own feelings and had a lot of bigger things to worry about. I can find evidence of all three pairings in Lelouch's words, expressions, thoughts, and actions as seen in the show itself.
One could also make the case that each of Lelouch's personas went with one romantic interest: the normal school student Lelouch Lamperouge with Shirley, the rebel terrorist leader Zero with Kallen, and the fallen prince with the power of the King (and later the Emperor) with C.C.

[kimchiburger.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Lelouch is pretty pimp. I think he had potential with everyone (including the guys because Sunrise loevs subtext). Though to be honest I don't think he really gave a damn because he was too busy, I don't know, trying to bring down the Britannian Empire.

[snoozy.livejournal.com]

well this topic is kind of a hornet's nest because some people take shipping far, far too seriously

dude, shipping IS srs, what you talking about.

[snoozy.livejournal.com]

but lol, no srsly. i kind of have to agree there, geass-romance really falls into the total-perspective-view. you can find hints for every shipping, depending on the goggles you wearing.
i'd probably just say, that kalulu has a tiny+ compared to others, due to the poems released with geass best and the lines that sunrise had in the site a bit after the finale. they did push a bit kallen-lulu there, but well, what do i know? i am biased and by the time someone is biased, objectivity stops inevitably. |D

tl;dr geass trolled in romance too. 8DD

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

XD I know rite what was I thinking
Seriously though, when I was pretty new here, somebody brought up the subject of romantic relationships and I mentioned some stuff I'd read on TV tropes (which at the time didn't cite specific sources beyond "post-series materials"; now I know it's in the Complete Guidebook and also an interview with C.C.'s seiyuu) about how the creators Jossed Lelouch/CC and AFAIK kind of said Lelouch/Kallen was the official pairing. Or something. Then a big argument broke out because I had no idea what exactly those post-series materials/interviews were.
Personally I don't care if that's what the writers were intending; what's important is what's actually there in canon. Then again I've become very fond of the idea of Death of the Author thanks to George Lucas and Upton Sinclair making me face-palm.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Oh hey, thanks, now I have sources for the Kalulu-is-official position too. Like I said, I personally think it is and should be up to the viewer. Simply looking at the show itself, I don't think Kalulu is necessarily more or less canon than LuluCC and LuluShirley. It all depends on what you like and how you interpret the words/looks/thoughts/actions/etc in the show. (Personally I like LuluCC and LuluShirley's dynamic most, but I won't refuse good Kalulu fic/art/doujin when I come accross it. ^^)

[snoozy.livejournal.com]

Oh, halcyon geass days. Yeah, most common romance wars were C.CxL vs Kalulu fans. The one argument would be like 'ohhh, look we got lines in the poem, we got aishiteru in context, we got staff backing up, suck ittt you suckers' and the other would be 'dude, we get naked covers. pizza but and lelouch emperor all sexy. nuff said.'

yeah, kind of like that, haha.
i am not sure about tv tropes and stuff and i actually have forgotten a few stuff over time, but there were a few debates over translations and stuff, that supposedly hinted towards a couple and the other.

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

One could also make the case that each of Lelouch's personas went with one romantic interest

That's a lovely argument. I like it.

(Perhaps, also, the "echo of the non-conflicted Prince he might have been" persona fits with Euphemia? It might have been only sibship between them, but it seemed a different sibling relationship than he had with Nunnally.)

I also agree with you that a fan is likely to argue for the 'ship that appeals to him/her most. I tend to side with the "he had way too many other things to worry about" faction, even though I have my own preferences.

[luinthoron.livejournal.com]

I thought it was pretty clear that Shirley was the only one he ever loved, apart from the earlier crush on Euphemia mentioned in the show.

[muusikaline.livejournal.com]

You forgot Suzalulu~

I think Lulu and Shirley were the best couple. She suits him the most and I believe that Shirley has the best capability to be there for Lelouch and to understand him.

[snoozy.livejournal.com]

I thought it was pretty clear that Shirley was the only one he ever loved

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[monoyuki.livejournal.com]

One could also make the case that each of Lelouch's personas went with one romantic interest: the normal school student Lelouch Lamperouge with Shirley, the rebel terrorist leader Zero with Kallen, and the fallen prince with the power of the King (and later the Emperor) with C.C.

Very well put! :D I completely agree.

[monoyuki.livejournal.com]

Meh. Lelouch always struck me as asexual. XD

He definitely cared deeply for all 3 of the girls but I don't think he ever paid close attention to romance at all. Too busy fighting Britannia.

If I had to choose a pairing, I would pick LelouchxShirley. I agree with muusikaline, Shirley genuinely loved him and the fact she loved him even after all he did to her family shows how strong her devotion was. Kallen loved him for his Zero persona, and C.C. seemed more like an accomplice than a lover (and she's too old for him anyway). :X

[snoozy.livejournal.com]

Kallen loved him for his Zero persona

Ah, no. It was like this in the beginning but she came to love him for who he was ultimately. Re-watch her monologue in R2-22.

C.C. seemed more like an accomplice than a lover (and she's too old for him anyway)

And C.C., did comfort and helped Lelouch a lot of times, past the accomplice-role. /and she certainly did like to tease him a lot which eliminates the age-difference too.

p.s and this is not about choosing pairings btw.

[aya-kari.livejournal.com]

I thought Lelouch wasn't interested in non-incestual relationships :D

[ryuugazaki.livejournal.com]

I think canon Lelouch is completely, absolutely asexual with a dose of narcissism (But he does have strong feelings for others, mind you). My personal preferences are Lelouch/C.C. or Lelouch/Suzaku, but it's all fandom-centric.

[kiraya.livejournal.com]

This is the only right answer.

[dobatochan.livejournal.com]

I personally think Shirley was the one for him, and I wish to god that I could find that post where someone outlined Lelouch's mindset before and after Shirley's death and through her life, because everything she did had an influence on the course of the show and it was beautifully written.

I am a bit biased however because I hate C.C.

Kallen can come too though.

[spleener.livejournal.com]

Like all good harem writers, they very deliberately did not favor any pairing precisely because they didn't want to piss off any shippers.

[kiraya.livejournal.com]

+1

[kiraya.livejournal.com]

I ship Lulu/everybody because life's more fun that way. I love that they left it vague and open-ended on his side of things and didn't confirm anything one way or the other except Lulu/Nunna, because who says "aishiteru" to their siblings? oh Britanniacest.

Although I must confess to enjoying him in particular with (in order of preference) Suzaku, Euphie, Kallen, Milly, Shirley, Nunnally, and Schneizel. Also I do love me some Cornelia/Luluko.

(I see C.C. as (for a long time) a little too detached/jaded to really be interested in a relationship, but I think if they'd had a little more time things could have easily gone in that direction.)

As far as canon goes, though, I gotta stick with the "he had no time to worry about that" side.

[aya-kari.livejournal.com]

Is nobody going to mention Lulu/Rolo yet :( Lelouch was totally consciously seducing Rolo during Turn 4. Official-but-not-canon material has even had Lelouch whispering gently in his ear and licking his finger. And Rolo was the only one besides Lelouch himself to get a new image -pause included- when Lelouch was remembering everyone right before resting in peace. YAY FOR EVERY SHIP GETTING ITS SHARE OF EVIDENCE :D

Personally though, I like my Lelouch completely asexual, aromantic and clueless, but I do ship Lulu/Rolo inside the latter's mind xD. Yeah, it's somehow different from claiming that I ship it as one-sided on Rolo's part because Lelouch too has done a lot of pseudo-otoutoincestual things, he just doesn't perceive them that way because of his utter cluelessness~

I apologize for the ghei comment inside a mainly heterosexual-pairings-centered discussion thread ´・ω・

[monoyuki.livejournal.com]

Just my impressions :X In fact, I can write tl;dr to support my positions (and explain them more), but I'd rather not XD

p.s and this is not about choosing pairings btw.

I know! :3 If. ...I don't see what the big deal is that I added something after answering the main question, though |D

[woodwind.livejournal.com]

He died when he was 18! That isn't a long enough time for relationships. I think a lot of you are confusing asexual with "I gots to save the world", priorities, priorities, and as an asexual I am offended(not really)! It's all about what you like.