romance in geass

[rosangela.livejournal.com]

Do you think that Lelouch loved someone romantically in the end?There have been hints with C.C., Shirley and Kallen.Personally i think that the staff was going with C.C. and Lelouch in the first season and in the second they took the route for Lelouch and Kallen.Shirley was in school and it was hard in the first place.
What is your opinion?

Comments

[snoozy.livejournal.com]

Lelouch was a pimp. truestory.

[kiraya.livejournal.com]

This is the only right answer.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Hmm, well this topic is kind of a hornet's nest because some people take shipping far, far too seriously. But I enjoy a reasonable debate of the subject.
C.C., Shirley, and Kallen were all important to Lelouch, for sure; I don't think anybody can reasonably argue that. The issue is whether or not his feelings were romantic or platonic. I think in his heart he had some romantic feelings for all three, but felt very confused about his own feelings and had a lot of bigger things to worry about. I can find evidence of all three pairings in Lelouch's words, expressions, thoughts, and actions as seen in the show itself.
One could also make the case that each of Lelouch's personas went with one romantic interest: the normal school student Lelouch Lamperouge with Shirley, the rebel terrorist leader Zero with Kallen, and the fallen prince with the power of the King (and later the Emperor) with C.C.

[snoozy.livejournal.com]

well this topic is kind of a hornet's nest because some people take shipping far, far too seriously

dude, shipping IS srs, what you talking about.

[kimchiburger.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Lelouch is pretty pimp. I think he had potential with everyone (including the guys because Sunrise loevs subtext). Though to be honest I don't think he really gave a damn because he was too busy, I don't know, trying to bring down the Britannian Empire.

[darksage29.livejournal.com]

THIS.

[bobateababy16.livejournal.com]

....I was CluClu for all seasons.I remain firm.lol.

[luinthoron.livejournal.com]

I thought it was pretty clear that Shirley was the only one he ever loved, apart from the earlier crush on Euphemia mentioned in the show.

[snoozy.livejournal.com]

I thought it was pretty clear that Shirley was the only one he ever loved

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[muusikaline.livejournal.com]

You forgot Suzalulu~

I think Lulu and Shirley were the best couple. She suits him the most and I believe that Shirley has the best capability to be there for Lelouch and to understand him.

[monoyuki.livejournal.com]

Meh. Lelouch always struck me as asexual. XD

He definitely cared deeply for all 3 of the girls but I don't think he ever paid close attention to romance at all. Too busy fighting Britannia.

If I had to choose a pairing, I would pick LelouchxShirley. I agree with muusikaline, Shirley genuinely loved him and the fact she loved him even after all he did to her family shows how strong her devotion was. Kallen loved him for his Zero persona, and C.C. seemed more like an accomplice than a lover (and she's too old for him anyway). :X

[snoozy.livejournal.com]

Kallen loved him for his Zero persona

Ah, no. It was like this in the beginning but she came to love him for who he was ultimately. Re-watch her monologue in R2-22.

C.C. seemed more like an accomplice than a lover (and she's too old for him anyway)

And C.C., did comfort and helped Lelouch a lot of times, past the accomplice-role. /and she certainly did like to tease him a lot which eliminates the age-difference too.

p.s and this is not about choosing pairings btw.

[aya-kari.livejournal.com]

I thought Lelouch wasn't interested in non-incestual relationships :D

[ryuugazaki.livejournal.com]

I think canon Lelouch is completely, absolutely asexual with a dose of narcissism (But he does have strong feelings for others, mind you). My personal preferences are Lelouch/C.C. or Lelouch/Suzaku, but it's all fandom-centric.

[dobatochan.livejournal.com]

I personally think Shirley was the one for him, and I wish to god that I could find that post where someone outlined Lelouch's mindset before and after Shirley's death and through her life, because everything she did had an influence on the course of the show and it was beautifully written.

I am a bit biased however because I hate C.C.

Kallen can come too though.

[spleener.livejournal.com]

Like all good harem writers, they very deliberately did not favor any pairing precisely because they didn't want to piss off any shippers.

[drakyndra.livejournal.com]

^ Most technically accurate comment in this post.

[kiraya.livejournal.com]

I ship Lulu/everybody because life's more fun that way. I love that they left it vague and open-ended on his side of things and didn't confirm anything one way or the other except Lulu/Nunna, because who says "aishiteru" to their siblings? oh Britanniacest.

Although I must confess to enjoying him in particular with (in order of preference) Suzaku, Euphie, Kallen, Milly, Shirley, Nunnally, and Schneizel. Also I do love me some Cornelia/Luluko.

(I see C.C. as (for a long time) a little too detached/jaded to really be interested in a relationship, but I think if they'd had a little more time things could have easily gone in that direction.)

As far as canon goes, though, I gotta stick with the "he had no time to worry about that" side.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

except Lulu/Nunna, because who says "aishiteru" to their siblings?

I saw this mentioned on TV tropes too, and I've been wondering (but was unable to ask the editor there) what is the proper way to say "I love you" to siblings in Japan? (I have only learned Japanese in classrooms, and they've been very unhelpful about subtleties of vocabulary.)

[aya-kari.livejournal.com]

Is nobody going to mention Lulu/Rolo yet :( Lelouch was totally consciously seducing Rolo during Turn 4. Official-but-not-canon material has even had Lelouch whispering gently in his ear and licking his finger. And Rolo was the only one besides Lelouch himself to get a new image -pause included- when Lelouch was remembering everyone right before resting in peace. YAY FOR EVERY SHIP GETTING ITS SHARE OF EVIDENCE :D

Personally though, I like my Lelouch completely asexual, aromantic and clueless, but I do ship Lulu/Rolo inside the latter's mind xD. Yeah, it's somehow different from claiming that I ship it as one-sided on Rolo's part because Lelouch too has done a lot of pseudo-otoutoincestual things, he just doesn't perceive them that way because of his utter cluelessness~

I apologize for the ghei comment inside a mainly heterosexual-pairings-centered discussion thread ´・ω・

[woodwind.livejournal.com]

Maybe those were just important moments and people in his life. :)

[woodwind.livejournal.com]

He died when he was 18! That isn't a long enough time for relationships. I think a lot of you are confusing asexual with "I gots to save the world", priorities, priorities, and as an asexual I am offended(not really)! It's all about what you like.

[snoozy.livejournal.com]

he was so asexual in Turn 7 when he was ready to sexor Kallen.

[apapazukamori.livejournal.com]

Suzaku. :)

Or Suzaku/Lelouch/C.C.

[drakyndra.livejournal.com]

OT3, baby!

[woodwind.livejournal.com]

[snoozy.livejournal.com]

you implying something shire?

[anaakin.livejournal.com]

Wow. For once I'm coming on Lj I find THIS.
I'm loving this thread so fucking much right nao.

[snoozy.livejournal.com]

TWIN.

[nayami.livejournal.com]

I generally have trouble assigning much romance to the boy who had to ask Shirley about love and then immediately parsed it as the way he feels for his sister. Honestly, I don't think Lelouch's problem is as simple as asexuality. I think Lelouch just can't differentiate love and it's all the same to him, regardless of who it is for. And I really think his talk with Shirley during the China arc reveals this. So I'm not so sure romantic love has an actual register in Lelouch's mind. As for the scene with Kallen, he's a depressed boy who was clearly quoting lines. He sounded so atrocious. His scenes where he kisses Shirley, he's comforting her. His confession of his love for Euphie, more of this all-encompassing perspective toward love. C.C. is especially complicated in that she takes on an almost motherly role for him at times but he very clearly loves her as well.

Essentially, Lelouch loves all of his special people. I think the final event "picture drama" captures this well. Now, I think the creators have hinted heavily toward it being more likely for Lelouch to have eventually gravitated toward Shirley had he had the time to stop focusing on rebellion and mature a little. They love to focus on Shirley and Lelouch in side materials, particularly his final dream sequence. They also imply that what he and Suzaku have is a very strong and unique version of friendship/love/whatever that's almost impossible to define.

So yes, in conclusion, Lelouch doesn't classify love in his mind so romance hadn't had the time to come into the picture for him. Had he lived longer, it probably would have.

[khearamahlainin.livejournal.com]

This is my favorite comment in the whole post. Agree so hard.

[misaoshiru.livejournal.com]

...eh. Honestly? Because of the kind of character Lelouch is, I honestly have no idea. There's definitely a lot of characters he cares for deeply - Nunnally, Euphie, Rolo, Suzaku, C.C., Shirley, Kallen...hell, you could even argue that he loves all of them on some level. But whether it's romantic...that's all up to interpretation.

It's kind of an awesome aspect of the series in some ways since it leaves room for so much variety...but it's also annoying because some people get hung up on their interpretations being the only right ones.

[enigma-shadow1.livejournal.com]

Orange-kun

[bookworm-e.livejournal.com]

This.

[drakyndra.livejournal.com]

Fanfic aside, I think when you get down to it Lelouch didn't actually love anyone romantically - he never got the chance. If circumstances were different, he might have (The obvious one as people have said was Shirley if he hadn't been Zero), but in canon, he cared for a lot of people, but romantic love, not so much. Sison jokes aside, I don't think he actually wanted to do any of his siblings (or fake siblings); his life had just screwed him up to the point that he was excessively clingy/emotionally dependent on them.

I always saw it that in terms of who he loved most, platonic or otherwise, it went 1. Nunnally, 2. Suzaku, 3. Shirley/Kallen/C.C. (The sort-of love interests), and 4. Euphie/Rolo/Rest of the Ashford gang.

[lavaliere]

This is the comment I probably agree with most. Except for the listing of who Lulu cared about. 'Cause in episode 19, when he lists everyone important to him that he lost, he listed Rolo right after Nunnally and before Shirley and the Black Knights. I wouldn't say the shota stalker is more important than Shirley or the others, but he's not as far down as I think you have him listed. Not to mention the heavy presence of Rolo in the "Birthday Miracle" picture drama (though part of this could be because the writers/staff have a perma-hard on for Rolo apparently), it suggests that Lelouch came to really care for Rolo on a level close to, but not the same as what he cares for Nunnally.

/tl;dr

[karimatincan.livejournal.com]

Code Geass just hints to everything so they can keep every type of fandom running. Great marketing ploy too. They can sell almost every type of pairing and fans would buy it. (At least one sector of them).

Since Lulu is a virgin, it pretty much sunk every type of ship I could possibly have with him.

As a Suzalulu fangirl and elite stalker of fanfics in this genre...Over 75% of the fics dealing with it, are about Requiem-isms. All of which could not be true even with the vagueness of the "2 month" time skip. So, personally I just believe now that as far as canon goes, Lulu is just whatever the fans want him to be.

I'm fine with that, I'll stick with my pairing and the rest can stick with theirs.

Sounds cool with me, especially if people don't flame hard on certain fandoms just because they don't like them.

[kerina.livejournal.com]

I think Lelouch has always been way too preoccupied with other things to really care or take time for romance throughout the series 8D Maaaaybe he was starting to get a clue towards the end, but whether or not he was in love with anyone? Up to you, and him especially 8D

[yukiruchan.livejournal.com]

Euphemia: Lelouch's first childhood love.
Shirley: Someone who loves Lelouch unconditionally. Had he have chosen a normal life, Lelouch would probably have married her.
Karen: The one who loves Zero.
Nunnally: The beloved sister for whom Lelouch did everything for.

Personally, I think Lelouch ended up with C.C.
He didn't love her at first but she became the only one who knew the real him... apart from Suzaku later on^^
He also got to know the real her and instead of letting her let Charles kill her, he called her back and told him he would grant her her true wish (to be truly loved). He wouldn't have said that if he didn't truly love her.
Lelouch was never focused on romance during the story but I believe they do love each other.
The romance would start once everything ended. In the end I believe they disappeared together, protecting the Code until the time would come when it would be needed again.

[anaakin.livejournal.com]

Well, officially, Lelouch and CC wasn't romantic (at least on Lelouch's side)
Now, it doesn't have to be official for you to enjoy it.
And Kallen loved all of him in the end. She made it clear :P

[des-akazim.livejournal.com]

ou I don't know picking a final choice for Lelouch feels like asking..."ok who did Zeus love THE MOST?! PICK WISELYYYY"

[lanacavelle.livejournal.com]

This is easily the best thing I've read in this entire discussion.