i fear for the end of the storm.

[tomoyohime8.livejournal.com]

thoughts on the ending of code geass. spoilers for r22 and the preview of r23. mostly opinion and speculation, and all in one big confusing pile.



i have this foreboding feeling that lelouch's master plan is to become the LAST emperor of Britannia. to etch into his people's minds the atrocities he can do with all the power he possesses - so that the monarchy will be abolished completely? all his actions - denying his closest friends, abandoning them, saying goodbye to kallen, i think it all leads to something big. he wants them to hate him, so that they don't feel any pain when he dies in the end??? or something like that.

he wants everyone to hate him? is he/+suzaku planning to carry the evils of the world on his/their shoulders? we're only a couple of weeks more, sunrise, it feels like you're rushing things.
he acts as if he wants to make sure that he does become enemy of the entire world - so he severs any ties with his comrades so that they will be resolved to destroy him utterly, with no further hesitation. so that after his plans have been fulfilled, and i think he doesn't plan on surviving that, they will move forward without looking back at what they were, what they used to be, and move on with no regrets.

he says he plans to overshadow the massacre princess - so does that mean that he plans to do something greater than kill thousands of japanese in 10 minutes?

gosh bismarck - marianne was more loved than we thought.

nunally... though i mourned thee, i wish you'd stay dead. the dogma is true, ne? Noone is confirmed dead until we see the body. Schneizel, what are you planning? Did you give Nunnally the whole truth or a half one? What do you want to accomplish? why is Nunnally holding freia with a picture of the gang - when she can't even see the picture in the first place? now, lulu, that you've learned that she's alive after all, what will you do now? i think you and suzaku have based all your plans on the fact that nunnally is dead. on the fact that you think that there's no point on living without your sister - so you at least want to make the world nunnally's wished for, a gentle world, before you try and join her - although you don't really plan on doing that, don't you lulu? with all you're planning on doing you think your soul will be so damned you'd never be able to go anywhere someone as good as nunnally went?

to send your soul to hell for your sister. ah, sibling love.

if she was geassed to blindness, can orenji give back her sight?

i do see her becoming the leader in the end though. that would be a good ending - but minus the schneizel. cornelia, not so sure. i don't think she's the type to manipulate eithers. i do think she'd be dedicated enough - to give nunnally all the love she could no longer give to euphemia.

what is schneizel's motive? does he REALLY want nunnally to become the emperess? or is he really evil and plans to set her up as a puppet?

i keep imagining what the last scene would be. it'd be all quiet, where eveyone is going out and looking into the sunlight, as if they were seeing it again for the first time after a long terrifying storm.

i don't know if i'd be happy, or extremely sad in the end. we've been trolled, and mindfucked - and yet i've enjoyed this series a lot. i plan on seeing this through to the end, because after then i think i can finally move on with the rest of my life. sunrise had better give us a good finale.

has geass been screwed into my memory? i wouldn't know if that was true or not until time has passed after the end. but it has given me a lot to think about, on politics, on psychology, on the reality of truth and lies. what is truth to one may be a lie to others. there is no such thing as absolute good and evil, black and white, only gray, some grayer than others, and others almost white.

 
btw, i really want to kill tamaki right now. get a clue please. also, i want an emperor lulu icon. XD i think he looks great in white. the hat looks kinda funny, but the white compliments his complexion more than black does.
 

Comments

[chickee1.livejournal.com]

I thing emperor Lulu counts as a spoiler. <3

I also think you've hit the nail on the head as far as Lelouch and Suzaku's joint sucide mission is concerned. That was probably the most obvious part of their plan. What's more ambiguous is who they are going to leave in charge after them/what state is the world going to be in when they leave it, because all I can see is more chaos and pain. Lelouch only seems to care about those close to him, he certainly doesn't see turning those unknown to him into his slaves forever, and killing the masses for his end goal. Nunnally coming back is a good thing, once she has her sight back (It will happen) she can rule (Hopefully without Schneizel whispering in her ear... The man must die...).

The one I don't understand is Suzaku. His LIVE geass should react towards Lelouch's plans as it involves both of them heading down a road towards death, unless the plan has a loophole where he can live. I'm sure the LIVE geass has more to it than running away from pew pew lasers. It looks like RESULTS!Suzaku is here to stay though, he didn't have to kill those knights, and he certainly didn't have any (visible) qualms about the deaths caused by Lelouch in this ep. The only one he spared was Gino... I'm not sure I quite like this Suzaku, who was at least didn't kill unless he had to. Just like Lelouch didn't used to take away free-will from his followers. This is proof of their determination for self-destruction, which seems impossible from someone who has been ordered to, and must obey that order, to live.

In short, the boys make me cry, because they are going to die.

[tomoyohime8.livejournal.com]

but lulu's been emperor for two episodes nao.

[tomoyohime8.livejournal.com]

and i think lulu's been resigned to the fact that he's not going to survive this - i think he's even counting on it, after the whole nunnally-is-dead! business.

maybe orenji will take out suzaku's geass in the end?

i just can't see another ending for them. if there will be a gentle world, it doesn't look like there'll be a place for them in that world.

[chickee1.livejournal.com]

Even if Suzaku's geass is taken out in the end, his consciously working towards his and Lelouch's destruction doesn't add up... It goes against the LIVE geass.

Or at least that's how it works in my head. =)

[sapphirus.livejournal.com]

Still count as a spoiler for people who're only now seeing the first season.

[tomoyohime8.livejournal.com]

oh, okay. i'll add it to the cut.

[snowdevil-crow.livejournal.com]

D= I am with that last sentence completely. T_T

[custom-magnum.livejournal.com]

Well, everything you said makes sense, but considering that there's a lot more people who know about Lelouch's Geass existing now, it's not that far of a stretch for Suzaku's Live Geass not to be going off since he can just claim that he was Geass'd into serving Lelouch. I doubt anyone but Lelouch and maybe Jeremaiah know about Lelouch's Geass' "One Command per person" limitation... not that it matters now that he figured out the obvious way around it.

[tomoyohime8.livejournal.com]

you know what, that's actually a very good point. XD

it gives me an idea of what might really happen at the end, now that nunally is back.

[ultraviolentnom.livejournal.com]

Maybe suzaku does need to kill those people, maybe that's the point. Like he understands Lelouch's grand scheme and needs to. I don't like it either though... =(

[tomoyohime8.livejournal.com]

my post is one long ramble, so we're in the same boat. Xd

which movie? and i agree with "People need someone to blame." i think that sums up my paragraphs nicely. ^^

[kiriska.livejournal.com]

The Dark Knight? :o

[tomoyohime8.livejournal.com]

now that you mention it, you're right! lol, i wonder why i never made the connection.

commissioner gordon has this one line now that comes to me: he's not the hero that they need, but the one they deserve. or something like that. ?!

lulu can never be the hero, but he can be the anti-hero that inspires heroes, :)

[meijioro.livejournal.com]

I totally agree with you about Lelouch and Suzaku's plan. Lelouch has always made himself look the villain part even though he more noble intentions (i.e. the kidnapping of Tanzi). Both Lelouch and Suzaku have always said that they don't need others to understand their actions and that they don't give a rat's *** if they are hated in the process. If you've ever watched Scrubs, JD made an observation that being a good leader means "uniting everybody...by giving them someone to hate". That is essentially what Lelouch and Suzaku are trying to do.

[http://users.livejournal.com/tsubaki_/]

Seeing as how almost everyone can be a geass out of their hat, Nunnally will come with 2 epic geass.

And in all typical horrible Sunrise endings, both Lulu and her will battle it out and a happy ending will be produced.

Ugh.

[tomoyohime8.livejournal.com]

the question would be then, if lulu would have enough resolve to battle with his sister, in order to create the world she's always dreamed of?

enough resolve to carry through with his plans, even if doing so would make her hate him?

although we haven't factored in the possibility that nunnally may be !brainwashed. schneizel certainly is cunning enough to say just enough half truth to do so. like "lulu has gone crazy, killed father, and is not trying to conquer the world" without telling the rest of the story.

[http://users.livejournal.com/tsubaki_/]

I wouldn't be surprised if Nunnally wasn't his real sister. Originally I wanted Anya to be his real sister, but that didn't work now now that his mum mentioned she was a stranger who happened to be at the wrong place wrong time.

But assuming she is, then I would also assume that she has been brainwashed. Schneizel's probably manufacturing his own geass as we speak.

[tomoyohime8.livejournal.com]

at this point, i don't think we should be surprised anymore with the wtf-ery sunrise comes up with.

they might even make gino president and we probably wouldn't bat an eyelash.

[http://users.livejournal.com/tsubaki_/]

Gino for President, lol! Good one.

[haiiro.livejournal.com]

Gino for President
That needs an icon. XD

[ultraviolentnom.livejournal.com]

How can they get a happy ending? It's filled with angst. Besides, CLAMP did the character designs and pretty much anything CLAMP touches turnes to something angsty.

It would be aweful with a happy ending =(

[snowdevil-crow.livejournal.com]

I love Tamaki.

I think that's the only thing I can say about this episode that hasn't already been said. XD

I mean, he's such a clueless dork. I love him.

... also --- who else is just waiting for Nunally to open her eyes and have Geass? XD

[ikkyuunyuukon.livejournal.com]

Rivalz will come back with a super geass and kill them all. =]


Of course, that's just my fantasy, but really, will Lelouch and Suzaku actually fight against Nunally? Well, yes, they have to. Since Schniezel is on Nunally's side. Unless they non-chalantly give up and beg for her forgiveness.

But srsly, me thinks Rivalz will has big part to play, and maybe Tamaki will get some amazing Geass that makes him SMART, or at least the ability to retain KNOWLEDGE.

[chickee1.livejournal.com]

Tamaki=fandom

that's all I have to say.

[tomoyohime8.livejournal.com]

there must have been some reason why they haven't been killed off by now. XD

statistics would prove that more wtf-ery is in store for us.

[kairoxmyworld.livejournal.com]

with all thats been happenin...i really dont noe wat to expect anymore T.T tho wat u say bout lulu being the last emperor....that wud be really somethin

nuna-chan.....open ur geass eyes already! we noe u hav one

as for kallen.....kallenXlulu ftw!! xD

[tomoyohime8.livejournal.com]

what i'm really sad about is that the vilettaxohgi canoniztion was kind of disappointing.

i wanted something else - not them banding against lulu. O_o

[kairoxmyworld.livejournal.com]

ah yes i noticed that pairing was dying down T_____T

oh lulu....wat on earth r u really up to?? T.T

[amachizzle.livejournal.com]

it's a shame the moment was over in an instant though :(

[kairoxmyworld.livejournal.com]

too right!! my hopes for them havent died yet >:D

[ultraviolentnom.livejournal.com]

Icon love <3

[kairoxmyworld.livejournal.com]

arigatou!! i had to make one.....so in love with the kallenXlulu pairing rite now :D [teeheehee i love urs. i dont see many kermit ones around anymore xD!!!!]

if u wanna use it just remember to credit me pleez n thanku :)

[ultraviolentnom.livejournal.com]

I have a feeling that not only is Lelouch/Suzaku trying to get everyone to hate him/them but also to hate Schnizel/Cornelia so he/she can't even try to rule or be part of any leadership role afterward. Just my thought.

[tomoyohime8.livejournal.com]

i think his purpose really is to abolish the monarchy completely - that people will want nothing to do with the royals.

his methods to me say that - he's trying as much as possible to make the people hate him, because just simply abdicating and saying things will not prove effective. he has to make sure the people will never want an emperor ever again.

[mikoto-chan13.livejournal.com]

These are some really good thoughts, "tomoyohime8". I believe that you really hit the nail, and even if it turns out that you didn't, personally I would prefer your version. It makes perfect sense to me, and it would explain why Lelouch suddenly turned so "evil" in last eps, cutting clearly all his bonds (that he obviously cares for). It would be very much in his character, because it wouldn't be too different from his approach to the Euphie accident or to his revelation as Zero. Lying to protect, taking the blame, willing to destroy himself... and it would indeed lead to his ultimate goal of destroying the old world and creating a new one. I would LOVE such an ending, even though I would mourn Lelouch like, forever. DDDD8 I swear I'll cry for a week if he dies like this, hated by everyone, but accomplishing what he set out to do, just as planned. (I'll cry for two weeks if he doesn't die in Nunnally's arms. Please, let at least her know the truth. Even if she learns it from Suzaku or C.C., and even too late. Just let her know that Lelouch wasn't so bad.)

However, even though I believe that Lelouch's days are counted, I'm not so sure about Suzaku's. Just a hunch, but I don't think his death is necessary for the story. (It would be also pretty ironic in a way - he doesn't mind dying at all, but in the end he lives, while Lelouch, the one who wishes for "the future", dies.) I think I would like it if Suzaku and Nunnally somewhat re-united in the end (they seemed to have a little thing for each other anyway) and mourn Lelouch together, the only ones who know the truth about him. (But perhaps I want too much. I'm pretty sentimental when it comes to this. 8D)

Finally, I still wonder if we get any more immortality games. What if Lelouch will get C.C.'s code in the end (and C.C. dies in a touching way), but then we'll finally get Geass!Nunnally XDD who Lelouch will pass his Code on and die? Immortal!Empress!Nunnally would be a pretty smooth ending if you ask me. 8D (But OK, I don't think I even believe that myself... XDD)

[tomoyohime8.livejournal.com]

thanks for the compliment, lol. i'm just one of those people who gets too much into stories - one of the reasons why i love cg so much.

at the moment i count suzaku as the wildcard. anything could happen - and i would never be surprised if he betrays lulu in the end too.

maybe they even planned between themselves to have suzaku do that in the end - all dumbleore and snape conspiracy-esque. that would fit lulu to a T too, his tendency to want to shoulder burdens alone.

though how suzaku will get people to trust him after that i don't know. suzu to me is the type who will probably either end up serving nunnally from the shadows or end up exiling himself in some desolate part of the world.

[mikoto-chan13.livejournal.com]

i'm just one of those people who gets too much into stories - one of the reasons why i love cg so much

lol, then I guess you're a girl after my own heart! :D It's exactly the same with me.

About Suzaku, yes, I think all the possibilities you mentioned are feasible. Suzaku can still change sides, or pretend to have changed them - if I'm not mistaken, there were even certain hints that something like that can happen.

By the way, I was thinking about Nunnally today and something came to my mind... They showed us repeatedly that she's got the ability to tell if someone is lying or not, apparently by holding hands with that person. How come that she can be manipulated by Schneizel then? (Perhaps because he wears gloves, lol? XDD THAT would be a plot twist...) Or does she know that Schneizel tells her half-truths, but the resolution to fight Lelouch and Suzaku is her own? After all, all their actions seem truly despicable, if you don't have any clue that there is some huge noble plan behind them, and I'm afraid she's not any clairvoyante.

[tomoyohime8.livejournal.com]

i think she's known from the start that lulu's been lying to her - that he's hiding something big from her.

i believe though, that as much as everyone tries to shelter her, she's no idiot - maybe she's trying to figure out the truth for herself too.

[kuroshin.livejournal.com]

I think it all comes to these... Nunnally becomes the leader with Lelouch and Schneizel dead or Schneizel or Lulu dies (one of them has to.) or everyone dies except CC.

Knowing Schneizel, he fed Nunnally with a half truth, He's a schemer after all...

Im also seiing Gino and Kallen joining with Lulu in the end.

[neko-astrid.livejournal.com]

I also agree that you have pretty much hit the nail on the head when it comes to lelouche's plans in the grand scheam of things but I also agree that if they were looking to die in the end that it would react to suzaku's LIVE geass, but maybe when it comes down to it, its only Lelouche who's decided to die. when they were still standing in the other world sezaku was about ready to behead lelouche again and then it pretty much cuts to two months later so obvously they talked about what was going to happen.

so maybe their agreement was that they would pretty much force the world to hate them but lelouche would be the only one to die, later the excuse that he was under the control of geass could just be made, since no one knows about suzaku's LIVE command but them. This way their plans could be made out and both sides would be saticed fied. lelouche would be the all around bastard ad enemy of the world and die a tyrant to over shadow all the others (cept maybe charles) and suzaku would get what he wants while having a way out.

I don't know what to think about Nina right now shes confusing me, she seemed like a crazy bitch before but now it seems shes regained her sanity after having her weapon wipe out a few million people. shes not attacking lelouche/zero on site.

oh and YAY! for the lelouche/kallen moment. I'm glad she came out with it in the end but its going to end up one of those damn tragic unrequited love stories sadly.

[vicks111.livejournal.com]

hey girl!
Well, I for one, don't think Schneizel is lying to Nunnally. Remember that girl is a lie detector. If anything, she might be the only one who knows exactly what he is planning. He must have also told Cornelia. If anything, it seems he does not lie to people, he is pretty straight-forward about what he does.

It seems Lulu is bent on the path of destruction. However, what I am most surprised is Suzaku and his change. I do not know what they are trying to do, and I never try to figure them out. More interested in figuring Schneizel. Empress Nunnally is going to rule the world with King Consort Arthur XD

[tomoyohime8.livejournal.com]

schneizel may not lie - but i don't know about half truths. and nunnally might know only their side of the story.

long time no see!

i'm more excited to know what lulu plans to do now - since it looks as if all the plans he and suzaku have made were based on the fact that nunnally was dead. the whole "if you've got nothing else to live for, you might as well damn your soul to hell trying to create the world she wishes for."