Could Milly have been in love with Shirley?

[shanejayell.livejournal.com]

Just randomly thinking...  Shirley accuses Milly of being a perv, but most of her on panel scenes of yuri-ness seem focused on Shirley. Milly is also oblivious to Rivalz interest, nor does she take seriously her engagement to Lloyd. 

YES, she tries very hard to set up Shirley and Lulu, but that could be a case of ;I want my beloved to be happy.' She may realize she can't get Shirley, so she decides to do what she can to make Shirley happy.

Thoughts?

Comments

[aya-kari.livejournal.com]

According to official material, Milly too likes Lelouch so... And I'd say she would have felt much more broken after Shirley's death had she been in love with her, as strong as Milly might be.

[amelia-seyroon.livejournal.com]

I'd say this is all purely fan speculation.

According to Wikipedia, Milly enjoyed teasing Shirley as a close friend, and I'm also sure she was brokenhearted after Shirley's death. She was in love with Lelouch, yes, and was only engaged to Lloyd who was a noble to restore her family's status.

If we're talking about actual official material, Nina, on the other hand...>__>;

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Wait, when was it made official? It was kind-of-sort-of implied in the show but I thought it was far too vague to draw a conclusion.
Then again, I found out after the show was over that Kallen/Lelouch was the official pairing of the show, and looking back at all the overt C.C./Lelouch I couldn't help but ask, "...Really?! Um, I guess, whatever you say, Geass Writers." So they kind of have a bad track record making their pairings clear IMO.

[snowdevil-crow.livejournal.com]

Whaaa, when did that happen?

I know they debunked CC/Kallen, but aside from that I thought they remained pretty mum about any other 'official pairings' for Lelouch.

[clichymiss.livejournal.com]

They debunked CC. Not Kallen.
And sure, they didn't say outloud which was the official pairing, but one was sunk and the other was given a fair ammount of ++++. So one can say they pretty much said it.
But lol, people ship whatever they ship. If people are happy/dicontent with that, it's their problem.

[snowdevil-crow.livejournal.com]

sdgasdf that was supposed to be Lelouch/CC.

>.< Yeah, basically, I knew they debunked Lelouch/CC, but I thought aside from that they never solidly stated an 'official pairing' for him?

[clichymiss.livejournal.com]

Someone thought too much of Kallen/CC ?(not that I mind. If it was me they'd have dump Lelouch and hook up. BFF forever ;)

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

I can't remember it exactly, but I recall Lelouch/Kallen being declared official. It may have been when Taniguchi was explaining about the final scene between Kallen and Lelouch with the "goodbye," he made it very clear that Kallen had decided that she loves Lelouch and not just because he was Zero...although I remember it being specifically spelled out that it was the official pairing, so maybe it was a different time. Frankly I don't care much for Lelouch/Kallen, so I don't think I'm biased. I just want to respectfully acknowledge the author's intent before I go shipping whatever I want anyway.

[apapazukamori.livejournal.com]

Author intent is worth acknowledging, even if you ship something else. However, it would be really helpful if you were to link to an interview instead of just relying on memory. I could easily say I thought Lelouch/Cheese-kun was official and remember Taniguchi saying it, but it's still only speculation unless I can point to where he said it.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Well it was ages ago, and I may very well have heard it second-hand, so I don't have a link. But I know I didn't make it up, otherwise I would've picked a pairing I liked. But you're right, I may still be inaccurately portraying the facts. Let's see what Google-fu can turn up for me.

Well, Kallen > Lelouch being official canon took about two seconds to find official basis for. I could keep looking but I doubt there's much controversy about Kallen loving Lelouch. Japanese interview (http://wakarimasenlol.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/img20080909000251rl8.jpg) with translation of pertinent bits from this K/L site. (http://wakarimasenlol.com/2008/10/26/kallen-and-lelouch-an-in-depth-look-to-their-relationship/1061)
Question: About the kiss in Turn 22.
Ami: I’m also surprised by that kiss. Before this, I interpret Kallen as having no romantic feelings toward Zero or Lelouch. So I was like, “no kidding?! I’ve mistaken?!”
But the director want me to show that Kallen is anxious from not knowing Lelouch’s feelings towards her, and is seeking an answer no matter what. An idea comes to head, “if I come this far, maybe Lelouch will say something.” Without too much thinking nor noticing her feelings, she acts. When she kisses and Lelouch doesn’t respond, it’s the first time she notices, “woa, I really like this guy.” That’s what the director said.
Question: So Kallen thinks she likes Lelouch.
Ami: Maybe she didn’t realize it before because she mixed this feeling with loyality. Although she notices it now, there’s nothing she can do under that situation. She can’t just insist to go with him. It isn’t Kallen’s character to do so.
Kallen is considerate to people around her. She will not allow her selfishness to get in the way. That’s the type that doesn’t get happiness, right? *laughs*
The same site mentions something from from “The Official Guide Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2″ (http://wakarimasenlol.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/825970.jpg): At the very moment Kallen witnesses Zero stabbing Lelouch, she understands what Lelouch hopes for her: “I want you to fulfill your dream, your little wish…”

A more general search for the pairing being canonical yielded nothing, although this is partially because I'm not entirely sure what to search for and what words to use. I also may have thought it was Taniguchi but it may also have been Okouchi, since he gave that interview where he officially proclaimed Lulu [spoiler]deceased[/spoiler] but replacing Taniguchi's name with his didn't help.
It's also entirely possible that somebody extrapolated "Kallen/Lelouch is canon" from the above or something like it, then I heard from them that it was officially Word of God canon.

It appears the folks at TV tropes have heard the same things that I did (ironically in the ship sinking article (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShipSinking)) but haven't coughed up links either:
Lelouch/Kallen: Sunk late in the second season after many Ship Teases and Moment Killers, when Kallen pours her heart out to Lelouch, attempting to confirm that his "evil bastard Emperor" attitude is merely an act, ending with a rather passionate kiss. He doesn't respond at all, standing there with a blank look on his face, which leads her to believe that he doesn't care. Judging by the fact that he sadly whispers words of goodbye as soon as she walks off, it's probably a case of "I'm too rotten, I don't deserve your love" as with Shirley.

* Revealed by Word Of God to have been a case of I Want My Beloved To Be Happy on Lelouch's part as his reason for pushing Kallen away was to ensure that she could accomplish her dreams when everything was over, whereas having her at his side for the final plan would have destroyed any chance of that.
* Hinted by more and more post series side materials that Lelouch may have loved her romantically.
* Links, please? *is curious*

[snowdevil-crow.livejournal.com]

Oh, you mean Kallen > Lelouch was declared official/completely canon? I think I remember something about that, at least.

Hm. I guess I can see it being the official pairing, even if Sunrise remained more ambiguous about his own feelings.

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Kallen>Lelouch is definitely canon. It's Lelouch's feelings that they keep locked up in a secret vault at Sunrise. :P

[sabonasi.livejournal.com]

Wait, if they debunked CC/Kallen, what's up with all of the covers of Code Geass: Queen?

[snowdevil-crow.livejournal.com]

Meant to say Lelouch/CC, aha

[clichymiss.livejournal.com]

People need to stop confusing fanservice and actual plot. A promo scan doesn't make the script (unlike you are working under Mr Fukuda). Milly was canonically in love with Lelouch (myself, I never found out about that before the actual official releases)and as for the rest, it's a case of death of the author, I guess. If you don't care about what he says, good for you. Who cares ?

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

People need to stop confusing fanservice and actual plot. A promo scan doesn't make the script

Alright forgive me for being dense, but I can't tell if you're doing a "general you" bit or whether you're talking to me in particular. For most of your comment actually.

If you're talking to me, I'm not confusing fanservice with the plot, nor am I going off of promo scans. C.C. and Lelouch have a close relationship, kiss, have numerous tender moments together, etc. in canon. Kallen basically hates Lelouch for all of R1 because he made an observation - not a judgment, an objective observation - about the interaction between Brittanians and the Japanese, then she falls on top of him and they have a weird awkward moment. I'm not trying to bash Kallen/Lelouch or put C.C./Lelouch on a pedestal; I don't really care about what people do or don't ship. I'm trying to illustrate that the show didn't communicate with the audience about Lelouch's relationships, and then essentially made Kallen/Lelouch canon by saying so after the show was over.

Milly was canonically in love with Lelouch (myself, I never found out about that before the actual official releases)
I was asking because I didn't know it was official. I have no idea when/where that was said or who was it said by. I thought it was kind-of-sort-of implied in the episodes around her graduation, but the whole thing was so vague that it wasn't necessarily so.

If you don't care about what he says, good for you. Who cares ?
Um, okay? I was just asking when it was made official. I don't take shipping that seriously.

[clichymiss.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry if I sounded offensive. I guess it was the case since you sound offended. It wasn't really against you (and not you in particular at all) more of a general boredom when this question is discussed. Sorry if you took it personally, it wasn't my goal.

For the Lelouch/C.C. relationship, it always sounded really platonic-like for me, especially when you know the kisses were a matter of saving/restoring memories. I wasn't surprised by the staff releases, when it comes to each of these couples, cause it came out absolutely like I understood it. Kallen/Lelouch was more like the romance of the thing, and unlike you, the devellopment was obvious to me, and Lelouch/C.C. was the platonic stuff, with no real attraction between them.
I guess it's only a matter of point of view, but I saw so many people shitting over this particular subject that well, it's a rarity to see someone with geniune curiosity.

So again, I'm sorry if I offended you.
About the Milly thing, I think only the graduation episode really gave the hint, so it's not a surprise most people missed that. Now thinking that she was crushing on Shirley seems kinda far fetched but well. It's CG.

[corsette.livejournal.com]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the official guide (or so I've heard people call it) have a "love chart" in it? I'm pretty sure the one going towards Lelouch to Kallen is a question mark ("?"). Pretty much all of Lelouch's were question marks, actually-- except from the obvious ones. (Euphy and Nunnally, I think?) The one going from Kallen to Lelouch is a heart (showing love), though. Maybe they meant Kallen defintely loves Lelouch? I dunno. If someone involved in the writing of Geass said they were canon, there would have been a huge fandom explosion. The Geass fans are pretty on their pairings after all.

Sorry for adding to the flood, but without the wank, I don't believe it, man.

[spleener.livejournal.com]

Yeah, if they're not going to do it in canon they're sure as fuck not going to confirm a Lelouch pairing in supplemental material.

[corsette.livejournal.com]

I almost agreed and then I remembered it's Code Geass
and now I can't agree because it's Code Geass, damn it

[clichymiss.livejournal.com]

Let's say, it's not only about the love chart. It wasn't the only stuff talking about pairings post serie :)

[corsette.livejournal.com]

True, ol' chap. I just refuse to believe something like that was missed by this fandom. The amount of wank passed up there makes me weep.

[kiraya.livejournal.com]

Absolutely this. I'd say Kallen -> Lelouch is pretty damn obvious even without supplementary materials, but I doubt they're ever going to say whether or not Lelouch returned her feelings.

[snowdevil-crow.livejournal.com]

THE ONE GOING FROM LELOUCH TO EUPHY HAD A PINK LINE FOR ROMAAAANCE

/diehard shipper



but that same chart showed a grey line from Rolo to Zero and nothing else, soooo... take with a grain of salt and all

[anaakin.livejournal.com]

Well to each it's own. For me it was dead obvious Kallen/Lelouch was canon.
/A Kallen/Lelouch shipper ? Where ?!