Marianne's murder

[soba-noodlez.livejournal.com]

Does anyone have any ideas about who killed Marianne? And why? I think it might have been V.V., but what would be his motive for killing her? What would be anyone's motive for killing her? Why not kill one of the other wives? Why was she the one that was murdered? No one would gain anything. I mean, even if it was a mistake that she was killed and the true objective was to kill Lelouch and Nunally. Lelouch and Nunally had absolutely no shot at the throne, so there would be no point in taking them out. The only was she was important (as far as I know) was that Cornelia looked up to her and she was Lelouch's and Nunally's mother. But then again, she must have been important enough for Jeremiah to be assigned to protect her.

Any ideas?

Comments

[tigtogtag.livejournal.com]

I still have my doubts about which side Jeremiah is on. And while my mind would like to wrap everything up in a neat little package and say he was a culprit, I don't think so.

Whoever killed Marianne, I have a feeling that they are far from the people Lelouch has been suspecting. I mean, think of it, he's based an entire revolution on this one event in his life, and yet he doesn't definitively know who did it. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be some Japanese military entity, rather than Charles' goonies.

[hatsumomo.livejournal.com]

Suzaku's dad obvs. Him and Marianne were getting it on and she was going to tell Charles that Lelouch and Nunnally are actually his children.

The truth will come out in the last episode after Suzaku and Nunnally have consumnated their marriage. Then rocks fall and everyone dies.

[rainbow-cnxn.livejournal.com]

Incest! *thumbs up*

[tenshi789.livejournal.com]

ahahah.... xD

[inksmears]

I kinda got this hunch that Jeremiah is lying and that it's a false alliance he's creating with Lelouch. I dunno, it just seemed... really random that he was suddenly loyal to Lelouch after everything that's happened. He used Lelouch's weakness, his mother, to gain his trust.

I mean... He was seen with V.V. where the Emperor is, who knows how Lelouch works. I get the feeling he told Jaramiah how to act and what to do in order to earn Lelouch's trust. He's their spy, working inside the rebellion forces for the Emperor.

That's my theory, anyway. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough. As for Marianne, from the spoiler pictures I saw, we'll be learning about her back story in the not so distant future which may answer all those questions.

[luinthoron.livejournal.com]

Jeremiah is not lying about Marianne, since he said the same to Villetta in one of the first season DVD specials, before the Orange incident.

[suikojowy.livejournal.com]

Thinking the exact same thing, i'd like the alliance to be genuine but it just seems too out of the blue.

[soba-noodlez.livejournal.com]

*nods* I had the same feeling. Right when he said it, I was expecting Jeremiah to injure Lelouch when he got close enough.

[hobbit-hunter.livejournal.com]

I was always under the idea that Marianne pulled a Xanatos Gambit (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit) (minus the villain of course) where she purposely died in order to trigger the events for Lelouch to make a move to over throw her husband.

--Then again this is most likely is because I read too much xxxHOLiC and Tsubasa.

Marianne was important due to just being a wife of the Emperor period, she's a royal family member. However she knew V.V. (obviously given what his and Charles's relation is) and possibly she knew C.C. as well. Most likely her death was either related to Geass or the Sword of Ashaka.

[inksmears]

Then again this is most likely is because I read too much xxxHOLiC and Tsubasa.

If anyone in Code Geass ends up being a clone of some kind, I'm going to choke a bitch.

[tanzentravis.livejournal.com]

I was just wondering, for those of us thinking that Jeremiah is playing to Lelouch's feelings - who's to say that Jeremiah hasn't been playing V.V. and Charles this whole time? It could be perfectly possible that Jeremiah's always resented Charles for not investigating Marianne's death/for being the cause of it/whatever reason you can think of, and that once he came to realize that Lelouch is trying to avenge Marianne he agreed to join the Knights.

Though, that said, I doubt my own theory and tend to think that Jeremiah's just playing Lelouch. At least that's what I like to think because otherwise it seems like things would be horribly unbalanced with so much in Lelouch's favour, no matter how many friends and family he's lost.

[braver.livejournal.com]

Mah, well Jeremiah did state that he wanted to become the Emperor's Knight of One in one of the picture book specials, so I don't think that Jery's might have resented the Emp that much. ^^; Or maybe he did, after getting all those alterations. >_>;;

[defade.livejournal.com]

At least that's what I like to think because otherwise it seems like things would be horribly unbalanced with so much in Lelouch's favour, no matter how many friends and family he's lost.

Leave it up to Sunrise to balance it out again.:D From what I've gathered on 2ch, Lelouch would find himself in a pretty crappy position around episode 17. So maybe a few allies that would stay for him no matter what was just the thing he needed, because he's going to lose a lot more from now on.

[fujiappletan.livejournal.com]

I looove the theory that Marianne staged her death herself. And that she also had whatever ties to the Geass (like how V.V. is related to Charles, maybe C.C. is related in some way to Marianne?) So I stick to that. It just seems... crazy and abitlikeSunrisekjdfdf.

[hobbit-hunter.livejournal.com]

It wouldn't be too surprising if C.C. was related to Mariaane thanks to V.V. and Charles, though from what the new pictures of Newtype show, I'd guess it'd have to be some very very far ancestor of sorts.

I could see Marianne doing it. She loves her children more than anything, and if she was aware of the plot that V.V. and Charles have, if it hurts her children? I could see her doing something drastic like setting up her own death. She did dismiss the security for that day.

[lb-x.livejournal.com]

I also like the idea Marianne staged her own death. Either she planned the whole thing, or she knew about the cult and that they were going to kill her. Being as CC has been watching Lelouch since at least the age of 9, and that CC keeps up a correspondence with Marianne, I would suspect she has a connection to the cult. If VV replaced CC as leader around the same time, that could all tie in? CC took Marianne's side, VV took Charles'?

The fun of speculations~

[hobbit-hunter.livejournal.com]

If VV replaced CC as leader around the same time, that could all tie in? CC took Marianne's side, VV took Charles'?

That's an interesting idea. Marianne was killed and then C.C. was overthrown by V.V., making him the leader. It also brings in the question if you need to have a powerful contractor (ie Charles, Lelouch maybe Marianne) to be the leader of the Cult. Then again it might just be who has the most knowledge or support.

[soba-noodlez.livejournal.com]

So...Charles is an alien? And his kids are half aliens? lol, oh sunrise, I love you. :DDD

[mikoto-chan13.livejournal.com]

What if he's a god and his children are half gods? I would love Sunrise for that, too. >:D

[darth-teca.livejournal.com]

My little theory is that Marianne was killed to make Lelouch into who he is today, but who ever knows with Sunrise especially when they decide to rewrite the plot and extend it at the last minute.

I also think Anya is involved with Marianne's death, because like the above people have said, if Anya is a clone of Marianne, I might just have to kill myself.

[inulovinkit.livejournal.com]

Anyone ever get the thought that C.C. might have been directly involved?

I have this pet theory that C.C and Marianne were like, BFFs, and C.C. got all angsty later on because she 'failed to protect' or Hell, may have accidentally caused it, and that is why she's so set on protecting Lelouch, to 'keep Marianne's dream alive?'

...Well, this was all inspired by a great C.C.xMarianne fic I read a while back, but I still think Marianne and C.C. had a bigger relationship besides post-death chats and perhaps Geass giver to Geass user type thing.

Hell, with the direction this show is taking, they could have been fraternal twin sisters...

[inastr8jacket.livejournal.com]

Jeremiah's turn to Lelouch seemed waaaay too easy. So either there's something else going on with him or the just took some liberties. Even if it's true that he wants to avenge Marianne, I doubt he'd be completely loyal to the guy that ruined his life, in turn leaving the cult and Britannia. But, to be honest, I think whatever his final decision will be, Viletta will have something to do with it. Or maybe I'm just hopeless.

As for Marianne, I don't think her death was strictly politics. Wasn't she an honorary knight working with Charles or something? I don't really remember the exacts, but she could have posed a threat to Britannia, so they had her killed? Just, whatever Sunrise throws at us it better not be lame D:

[hobbit-hunter.livejournal.com]

I believe she was, if not a Knight of Rounds, then at least a Knight of Britannia. She and R1!Suzaku have similar Knight outfits.

[rumichan.livejournal.com]

I've fancied the thought too that Marianne staged her own death to an extent. Who else is involved in the conspiracy is beyond me. The body was not at the funeral, and there was the incident with C.C. and Anya in Turn 11 of flashing memories.

With that said, I have a feeling that Anya and Marianne are related in someway, and even as far to say as they might be the same person. Anya has a picture of Lelouch in her phone but does not mention much about it. If that's the case, Marianne staging her own death to be revived by the cult in a younger body (Anya) is looking a bit more believable. Also younger Marianne from images scanned on the comm, looked a lot like Anya.

C.C. and Marianne's relation (whatever it may be) isn't farfetched either, C.C. has been talking at some points of the Season 2 (during her 'monologues') to Marianne(?) much like she was talking to a certain someone in Season 1.

It seems a bit left field though. But with quite of the twists so far, sometimes left field might be closer to what might really end up happening.

Just my thoughts.

[rumichan.livejournal.com]

If Anya and Marianne end up being siblings much like V.V. and Charles, that'd be pretty strange too. O_o

Marianne

[pizza-pimp.livejournal.com]

I do think that Anya could be a clone of Marianne because she almost looks like her. Plus, it just seems that she has a hidden relationship with Lelouch especially during that one episode in the recent season in japan that has her tripping out over LULU..I don't know that is my assumption

[zalem.livejournal.com]

I don't think Marianne is dead. She is alive scheming something....bodies don't just go disappearing for no good reason.

[leitao.livejournal.com]

I was just gonna say that, haha. It's definitely possible; C.C. occasionally carries on conversations with Marianne, after all, and that in itself is has me wondering if Marianne isn't just floating around in Charles' pimp room of nothingness, just chillin', maybe in ghost form, maybe in a body . . . or something. I dunno, it's laaattte and I'm tired. XD

[interstellar.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure having Jeremiah assigned to her was an indicator of her importance, though; it was awhile ago, so he wouldn't have been nearly as senior. I still think she orchestrated the death herself, or that she at least had prior knowledge it would occur. Of course, I'm not sure why that would be. ^^;

Although, it'd be an interesting final twist if Lelouch found out that the Emperor really didn't have anything to do with her death, and that it was terrorists (or whatever the official excuse was).

[aimakichan.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure having Jeremiah assigned to her was an indicator of her importance, though; it was awhile ago, so he wouldn't have been nearly as senior.

Hmm~ I agree with this point. He did say his assignment to protect Marianne was his first mission...